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Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:24 am

I felt it would be useful to have a thread detailing the date stamps seen on Bus 16" wheels.

Please add any information you have, including:
Date
Manufacturer
Riveted or welded
Recessed valve stem, if present

Some wheels I have seen:
2/50 Welded
3/50 Welded
7/50 Unknown
9/50 KPZ Riveted Valve stem
10/50 Welded Valve stem
3/51 Valve stem
2/52 Lemmerz Welded
4/52 Unknown
1/53 Unknown
2/53 Unknown
3/53 Unknown
4/53 Unknown
7/53 KPZ Riveted Valve stem
8/53 Unknown
1/54 Unknown
2/54 Lemmerz Welded
3/54 Lemmerz Welded
4/54 Lemmerz Welded
9/54 Unknown
10/54 Unknown
12/54 KPZ Welded
1/55 Lemmerz Welded
2/55 Lemmerz Welded

Post-Barndoor production:
8/58 Unknown
5/59 Lemmerz

There is some additional wheel information and discussion here:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=272114

Photos welcome as well.

9/50 KPZ wheel:

7/53 KPZ wheel with recessed valve stem, fully riveted on back:

3/54 Lemmerz wheel

Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:50 pm

EverettB wrote:
Please add any information you have, including:
Date
Manufacturer
Riveted or welded
Recessed valve stem, if present

Some wheels I have seen:
2/50 Welded
3/50 Welded
7/50 Unknown
9/50 KPZ Riveted Valve stem
10/50 Welded Valve stem
3/51 Valve stem
4/52 Unknown
1/53 Unknown
2/53 Unknown
3/53 Unknown
4/53 Unknown
7/53 KPZ Riveted Valve stem
8/53 Unknown
1/54 Unknown
2/54 Lemmerz Welded
3/54 Lemmerz Welded
10/54 Unknown
12/54 KPZ Welded
9/54 Unknown
1/55 Lemmerz Welded
2/55 Lemmerz Welded

Post-Barndoor production:
8/58 Unknown
5/59 Lemmerz

In this list does the absence of the words "Valve stem" imply the rim was observed to not have the recess or does it mean it is unknown if it has the recess?

Also, is there a way you can confirm the 12/54 KPZ Welded rim? That is the only welded KPZ rim reported so far on this site that I am aware of. Thanks.

Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:55 pm

My rims

Date Manufacturer Recessed valve stem
1. 1/52 UNK welded NO
2. 2/52 UNK welded NO
3. 1/55 UNK riveted (unregular) YES
4. UNK KPZ riveted NO
5. UNK KPZ riveted NO

Number 4 and 5 has stamped an "S" and "415"below the S.

Note the different way these rims were riveted

This is Number 3

This is for numbers 4 and 5.

Regards
Marcos

Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:58 pm

2Pack wrote: EverettB wrote:
Please add any information you have, including:
Date
Manufacturer
Riveted or welded
Recessed valve stem, if present

Some wheels I have seen:
2/50 Welded
3/50 Welded
7/50 Unknown
9/50 KPZ Riveted Valve stem
10/50 Welded Valve stem
3/51 Valve stem
4/52 Unknown
1/53 Unknown
2/53 Unknown
3/53 Unknown
4/53 Unknown
7/53 KPZ Riveted Valve stem
8/53 Unknown
1/54 Unknown
2/54 Lemmerz Welded
3/54 Lemmerz Welded
10/54 Unknown
12/54 KPZ Welded
9/54 Unknown
1/55 Lemmerz Welded
2/55 Lemmerz Welded

Post-Barndoor production:
8/58 Unknown
5/59 Lemmerz

In this list does the absence of the words "Valve stem" imply the rim was observed to not have the recess or does it mean it is unknown if it has the recess?

Also, is there a way you can confirm the 12/54 KPZ Welded rim? That is the only welded KPZ rim reported so far on this site that I am aware of. Thanks.
It means the recessed valve stem is present.

I am not sure where the 12/54 KPZ wheel came from. I did a massive Gallery search to construct that list but did not keep references. I will try to check my own stash but they are not easily accessible.

Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:59 pm

20-09301 has 5 KPZ riveted wheels dated 9/50 with the valve stem recesses.

Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:42 pm

nos 11/58 fudrad

not nos anymore though...

Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:29 am

I have a single rim, dated 3/54 lemmerz, welded no valve stem.
Buba's riveted wheel looks like a welded center that had been riveted instead of welded. That's differant.

Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:56 pm

guess I'll join the fun. I've got a single 1/53 KPZ, riveted with the valve stem recess. Seeing as I have no other barn door rims to match just yet I'd be willing to trade somebody if they are looking for that particular date.

Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:13 am

Learn German, mate!

The company was called "SÜDRAD", not "Fudrad".

"Südrad" means as much as "South wheel"

Regards,

Jurgen

Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:39 am

EverettB wrote: 2Pack wrote: EverettB wrote:
Please add any information you have, including:
Date
Manufacturer
Riveted or welded
Recessed valve stem, if present

Some wheels I have seen:
2/50 Welded
3/50 Welded
7/50 Unknown
9/50 KPZ Riveted Valve stem
10/50 Welded Valve stem
3/51 Valve stem
4/52 Unknown
1/53 Unknown
2/53 Unknown
3/53 Unknown
4/53 Unknown
7/53 KPZ Riveted Valve stem
8/53 Unknown
1/54 Unknown
2/54 Lemmerz Welded
3/54 Lemmerz Welded
10/54 Unknown
12/54 KPZ Welded
9/54 Unknown
1/55 Lemmerz Welded
2/55 Lemmerz Welded

Post-Barndoor production:
8/58 Unknown
5/59 Lemmerz

In this list does the absence of the words "Valve stem" imply the rim was observed to not have the recess or does it mean it is unknown if it has the recess?

Also, is there a way you can confirm the 12/54 KPZ Welded rim? That is the only welded KPZ rim reported so far on this site that I am aware of. Thanks.
It means the recessed valve stem is present.

I am not sure where the 12/54 KPZ wheel came from. I did a massive Gallery search to comstruct that list but did not keep references. I will try to check my own stash but they are not easily accessible.

I was asking about the entries that don't mention the valve stem. I figured one option is you were infering that they have no recess. The other possibility is you didn't have any information about the recess.

Don't worry about the 12/54 KPZ rim. Since my last post I found another case of a welded KPZ rim so the "KPZ=rivets" theory is busted. When I get a chance I'll email you the info I gathered for your list.

Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:43 am

Yes, the absence of that term means there is no valve stem recess.

Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:08 pm

Bergepanzer wrote: Learn German, mate!

The company was called "SÜDRAD", not "Fudrad".

"Südrad" means as much as "South wheel"

Regards,

Jurgen

i could not even learn spanish...lol

Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:03 am

Updating information

My rims

....Date.......Manufacturer..............................Recessed valve
1. 2/52..........Lemmerz.........welded ....................NO
2. 1/52..........Lemmerz.........welded ....................NO
3. 1/55.............KPZ..........riveted (unregular).......YES
4. UNK.............KPZ..............riveted.....................YES
5. UNK.............UNK.............riveted..................... NO

Number "4" has a S-415 stamped with no date information
Number "5" only has stamped a VW logo without any other information or numbers on it.

Regards
Marcos

Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:13 am

Another data point:

..Date.......Manufacturer..............................Recessed valve
5/54..........KPZ.................riveted.....................NO

Also,
- In a different thread axle struwe posted that he has 10/50 rims that are welded with the recess. By PM he told me they are KPZ.
- In a different thread Tonny Larson says he has 5 2/50 rims that are welded with no recess. By PM he told me they are Lemmerz.

I have not seen anyone mention a Lemmerz wheel with rivets and therefore offer the theory: "All 16" Lemmerz bus rims are welded."

Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:27 pm

On the wheel subject, has anyone seen a BD that orignally had mix-matched wheels?

Mine has 3 Lemmerz (dated Jan 53) and 2 KPZ (can't find the date stamps).

All 5 wheels appear to have original paint on them that matches the bus.

Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:42 am

I have a set of
1/54 Lemmerz/welded/no recess
2/50 Lemmerz/welded/no recess

Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:30 am

Hello.
My 12/54.
8/54 lemmerz / welded / no recess.
8/54 lemmerz / welded / no recess.
8/54 kpz /riveted(3-3-3-3)/no recess.
9/54 kpz /riveted(3-3-3-3)/no recess.
9/54 kpz /riveted(3-3-3-3)/no recess.

My 1/55.
11/52 kpz /riveted(fully) /with recess.
10/53 kpz /riveted(fully) /with recess.
UNK kpz / riveted(fully) / with recess.
UNK kpz / riveted(fully) / with recess.

It is a question.
There are two types of rivets

as far as I know.
11/52 fully (mine).
7/53 fully (EverettB).
10/53 fully (mine).

4/54 3-3-3-3 (I bought It from arturo).
8/54 3-3-3-3(mine).
9/54 3-3-3-3(mine).
1/55 3-3-3-3(Buba).
Is there change time between October, 53 and April, 54?

Is having recess or not a timing same as the change of the rivet, too?