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Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:29 am

AlteWagen wrote: Never seen this two tone combo before. Looks like ultra maroon, with body color logos.

aren't ultra maroon and dolomite darker coloured?
l 273 metallic beige up to 4-1954 would also fit seat pleating.

Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:03 pm

kaieric wrote: aren't ultra maroon and dolomite darker coloured?
l 273 metallic beige up to 4-1954 would also fit seat pleating.

You can never tell with ultra maroon, it never looks the same in pics or real life. While I think you are correct especially with the seat pattern but what throws me is the chart calls for pastel red centers on the wheel if beige poly, silver beige for ultramaroon.

Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:23 pm

kaieric wrote: beautiful and unique outfit. note the beauty rings and black rims,probably ex factory.
interesting to see that secondary colour reached up beyond trims and met beading. never before payed attention to that.

Not sure what you mean about 'ex factory' but we were discussing the color layout in esdes thread where I learned the color break is under the trim not where the center and rim meet.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=784242

I dont think the side color passes the body trim, the metallic paint is just reflecting a similar shade.

Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:42 pm

AlteWagen wrote: kaieric wrote: aren't ultra maroon and dolomite darker coloured?
l 273 metallic beige up to 4-1954 would also fit seat pleating.

You can never tell with ultra maroon, it never looks the same in pics or real life. While I think you are correct especially with the seat pattern but what throws me is the chart calls for pastel red centers on the wheel if beige poly, silver beige for ultramaroon.

good point. i never met none of the two in real life, but polys indeed can be chameleon-like. great find!

Mon Oct 16, 2023 3:07 am

AlteWagen wrote: kaieric wrote: beautiful and unique outfit. note the beauty rings and black rims,probably ex factory.
interesting to see that secondary colour reached up beyond trims and met beading. never before payed attention to that.

Not sure what you mean about 'ex factory' but we were discussing the color layout in esdes thread where I learned the color break is under the trim not where the center and rim meet.

rather a seam layout in this case with black rims and center sporting body colour on this pre '56 vert.

Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:55 am

kaieric wrote: beautiful and unique outfit. note the beauty rings and black rims,probably ex factory.
interesting to see that secondary colour reached up beyond trims and met beading. never before payed attention to that.

I don’t think it’s above although the light hyper accentuates the metallic and makes it look brighter. If you look at the open door, the two tone separation point is even with the chrome on the door.

Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:10 pm

Skim wrote: kaieric wrote: beautiful and unique outfit. note the beauty rings and black rims,probably ex factory.
interesting to see that secondary colour reached up beyond trims and met beading. never before payed attention to that.

I don’t think it’s above although the light hyper accentuates the metallic and makes it look brighter. If you look at the open door, the two tone separation point is even with the chrome on the door.
I think you’re right, the front quarter panel definitely looks like the paint doesn’t go above the trim.

Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:58 am

Skim wrote:
If you look at the open door, the two tone separation point is even with the chrome on the door.
right. the colours meet exactly the moulding.

Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:55 am

Hi All,

In an attempt to do something to the convertible that is not on my short term punch list (like getting it to run properly) I have fixed all of my wood bows and broken loose all of the frozen hinges and rivets.

This metal frame is quite an interesting engineering feat as are the window regulators.

I want to paint it the body color and its pretty grimy and rusty so I am thinking of having it media blasted.

I started thinking about getting all of the media out of all of the moving pivot points and now I am not sure thats a good idea.

Anyone have any experience or suggestions on this?

Peter

Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:37 pm

I would check with others, about the less radical blast is. IE walnuts pecans or whatever the media is…it’s imparitve that’s you don’t blow the whole thing apart.
Yes the Kabriolet is quite an engineering feat..back in the day..

Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:13 am

I managed to clean up the roof mechanism by hand and a small amount of walnut shells. I primed and painted it and did a test fit.

I am now going to work on making the metal bow. I have access to a well equipped metal shop with a forge and bending wheels. I made one a year ago but I will try again with a bit more experience. It was decent and will be hidden but the top really needs to follow the contours of the other bows.

This post is more about some missing parts, like the rear window frame.

I read through Lars' long thread and stumbled upon this metal frame..

Well, that was a surprise! Not only am I missing the wood frame but a metal one! No mention of this on Chucks site, or availability of the wood frame.

maybe: https://kaeferland-shop.de/en/Mechanics/Convertibl...ar-54-7/57

The hold down latches are side specific. Forward leaning or rear leaning?

Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:31 pm

All righty then, let's guess what these wood bits are and were they go, because I have no clue. Its interesting that they are partially green when the other pieces had been painted Inca Red.

thanks

Peter

Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:27 pm

Inside quarter facing, I'm sure there is one on each side ?

Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:48 pm

Yes, one on each side. Definitely a left and a right, and which one is which should become evident when you fit it against your frame. The "C" shaped cut out if I remember correctly, allows you to pass the wiring harness between the wood and the frame down below top of the body level...

Bill

Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:19 pm

Awesome thanks folks

Peter

Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:06 pm

BulliBill wrote: Yes, one on each side. Definitely a left and a right, and which one is which should become evident when you fit it against your frame. The "C" shaped cut out if I remember correctly, allows you to pass the wiring harness between the wood and the frame down below top of the body level...
Bill
I found a better pic in your gallery Bill :D #8 wooden fillers.
Even though 2Dokas question was answered I Posted the pic in case someone else needs a reference of top parts and placement.

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:44 am

56Cabrio wrote: Inside quarter facing, I'm sure there is one on each side ?

Okay, that's not them.

Those are already installed. They have one large screw and 2 smaller ones that hold the end in a small metal bracket.

The ones in question have only 2 screws and some significant cut outs for metal or something.

I am not seeing any other wood filler pieces in either of those images. Nor in Chucks full kit.

They came with the car but I am not finding them in all of my pictures. They are green and not red like the original pieces being Inca Red. I wonder if they belong to a later year model?

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:58 am

2Dokas wrote:
They came with the car but I am not finding them in all of my pictures. They are green and not red like the original pieces being Inca Red. I wonder if they belong to a later year model?

Gotta love extra mystery parts.
If it is correct, you know it's made from inobtanium, so you don't dare let it go. But where does its go?
The curse of someone else's project :lol:
I chased my tail for hours trying to track down some things that came with a lot of 356 stuff I had. Looked close to the correct parts, but wasn't, and I eventually figured they were from some Mercedes sedan.

Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:13 pm

I was wrong above. I have new versions of the wooden parts that you're asking about brand new and also my old used remnants in my collection of parts for the upcoming restoration of a 57 convertible. Those wooden pieces you asked about (which are missing a thin plywood that is glued to them) are the "hinge covers" for lack of a better word. I took some photos of my new "covers" with the plywood attached to them and it'll make more sense. The one that has that "U" shaped channel carved into it is the right side piece that I believe does contain and allow the wiring harness to pass in the "U" shaped trough in the wood.

In the last two photos I am holding the left side hinge cover in place with my finger at the roof hinge attaching point.

Hopefully this helps you understand what you have there, you're just missing the plywood panels. These hinge covers get wrapped/covered in your cloth upholstery before installation.

Bill Bowman

Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:20 pm

You nailed it!

Peter