bluecab |
Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:50 pm |
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sorry if im in the wrong section
how can i buy a bus in N Y with no title, its a 68 bay and the man says he hasnt got an idea how to get one ! i know it wont shipp to the uk without one, any help please.
paul |
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Kirk |
Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:23 pm |
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Since you are overseas, see if the seller will do the leg work to get one through an online titling service like broadwaytitle.com.
Good luck. |
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SGKent |
Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:27 pm |
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Google "vw bus 35 years Spokane" and then buy the bus and try to ship it. See what happens. Let us know. If you are willing to spend the time with your DMV to get a title then the bus should cost $1. If he wants more make him do the footwork. |
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bluecab |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:23 am |
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http://www.khq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11450930
I know where you are coming from , will keep trying.
thanks |
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VDubTech |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:09 am |
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The reason the seller doesn't have a title is because NY State doesn't issue titles for anything before 1973. For vehicles up to 1972, the registration is the ownership document, and all the owner has to do is have one of his registration receipts, they are transferrable. He has to sign the back of it and give it to you along with the Bus and you become the new owner. You can definitely ship a Bus to the UK without a proper title, because I sold my '62 Split Window to a gentleman in the UK using only the transferrable registration as the ownership paperwork. There is no such thing as a title in NY state for a vehicle of that age, and there is no way to get one, because they don't exist.
Feel free to take the erroneous advice the others have given you thus far, but not only do I live in NY state, I work for the NYS DMV. |
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bluecab |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:28 am |
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VDubTech wrote: The reason the seller doesn't have a title is because NY State doesn't issue titles for anything before 1973. For vehicles up to 1972, the registration is the ownership document, and all the owner has to do is have one of his registration receipts, they are transferrable. He has to sign the back of it and give it to you along with the Bus and you become the new owner. You can definitely ship a Bus to the UK without a proper title, because I sold my '62 Split Window to a gentleman in the UK using only the transferrable registration as the ownership paperwork. There is no such thing as a title in NY state for a vehicle of that age, and there is no way to get one, because they don't exist.
Feel free to take the erroneous advice the others have given you thus far, but not only do I live in NY state, I work for the NYS DMV.
thank you but what if he hasnt got -registration receipts ? |
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busdaddy |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:35 am |
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bluecab wrote: VDubTech wrote: The reason the seller doesn't have a title is because NY State doesn't issue titles for anything before 1973. For vehicles up to 1972, the registration is the ownership document, and all the owner has to do is have one of his registration receipts, they are transferrable. He has to sign the back of it and give it to you along with the Bus and you become the new owner. You can definitely ship a Bus to the UK without a proper title, because I sold my '62 Split Window to a gentleman in the UK using only the transferrable registration as the ownership paperwork. There is no such thing as a title in NY state for a vehicle of that age, and there is no way to get one, because they don't exist.
Feel free to take the erroneous advice the others have given you thus far, but not only do I live in NY state, I work for the NYS DMV.
thank you but what if he hasnt got -registration receipts ?
Then you are likely screwed, do not exchange any money until he can provide some sort of official paperwork. |
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Blu67Bug |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:42 pm |
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VDubTech hit it right on the head about a Title! The Bus is much too old for a NYS Title, but the owner does have to have a registration. If he doesn't, he will have to get one to sell the Bus to anyone! Let him go to the trouble of getting a registration from the DMV, and then he can sign it over to you on that.
Otherwise, as mentioned, do not send any money! Do yourself a favor and look elsewhere. In the long run you'll be better off. |
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VDubTech |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:43 pm |
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bluecab wrote: thank you but what if he hasnt got -registration receipts ?
No, you are not screwed. As long as he was the last registered owner, he can walk into any DMV office and fill out paperwork to obtain a new transferrable registration. The registration receipt is most often found int he glovebox of the vehicle, because it has to be shown if you are pulled over everytime. This isn't a receipt like you would get at a grocery store, it's part of a two part document you recieve when you register a vehicle in NY State. Take a look at this pic:
[img]http://www.nysdmv.com/regdocs.htm[/img]
The registration receipt is the document on the left, if you look closely this one says non transferrable because the vehicle on it is newer than 1972 and will have a valid NYS Title. The one the current owner will need to transfer ownership will look just like it, but it will say transferrable on it. All he has to do it find one or go to the DMV and get one, and then sign the back of it and include it with the Bus. |
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Blaubus |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:33 pm |
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i have purchased pre 73 VWs many times in NY, without a registration card.
the last registrant can get a new registration document if it was last registered in the last few years, but after that the records are wiped off the computer. i dont know exactly how many years the records stay on the computer. if the seller does not obtain a registration, then the only way you can get one is to bring a bill of sale, complete with VIN, and they will issue you a non-transferable registration card at the time you register the vehicle. after a few months of being registered, they will send you a transferable registration document if no previous owner comes forward with a stolen vehicle claim.
now, it has been a while since i did this routine- about 10 years- but if the rules havent changed, then that is what you would have to do to get the transferable registration document. you can verify this by calling the NYS DMV in Albany, the state capitol of NY. phone #, is it 800-CALL DMV? or is it 800- DIAL DMV? i forgot.
you can also call the state police for a stolen vehicle check. all you need is the VIN. i would, at very least, insist that the owner send you a picture of the VIN tag. |
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bluecab |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:41 pm |
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The bus hasnt moved since 1982 !
The front wheels are locked so while iv got everyones help does anyone know a man who can free the wheels once we have got the paperwork sorted?
thanks
paul |
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theizzardking |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:46 pm |
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make sure he does this i helped a guy out in the u.k. who bought a bus here in washington state and helped him ship it back from a seller, it was a nightmare!!!! it took almost a year for the bus to make it to portsmouth,
talk to the guy in my feedback thread from teh u.k. he's gone thugh pretty much everything you could ever think of regarding shipping to the u.k. and titles issues, the New york state title law might be a bit different but it'll still be the same process for the most part. soo..shoot him a pm and see if he can help you out.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359609&highlight=theizzardking |
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theizzardking |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:48 pm |
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bluecab wrote: The bus hasnt moved since 1982 !
The front wheels are locked so while iv got everyones help does anyone know a man who can free the wheels once we have got the paperwork sorted?
thanks
paul
a bit for a drive for me, lol i'd offer to help but 3000+ miles isn't a short trip even by amercian standards. lol |
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VDubTech |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:53 pm |
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dansvans wrote: the last registrant can get a new registration document if it was last registered in the last few years, but after that the records are wiped off the computer. i dont know exactly how many years the records stay on the computer.
The information is in the state computers for 5 years minimum.
dansvans wrote: if the seller does not obtain a registration, then the only way you can get one is to bring a bill of sale, complete with VIN, and they will issue you a non-transferable registration card at the time you register the vehicle. after a few months of being registered, they will send you a transferable registration document if no previous owner comes forward with a stolen vehicle claim.
Not true. See my above post for correct information.
dansvans wrote: now, it has been a while since i did this routine- about 10 years- but if the rules havent changed, then that is what you would have to do to get the transferable registration document.
I can't even begin to tell you how many things have changed over the course of the last ten years at the NYS DMV. If you don't know that your information is current, why bother giving it? All you're doing is confusing an otherwise simple transaction.
dansvans wrote: you can verify this by calling the NYS DMV in Albany, the state capitol of NY. phone #, is it 800-CALL DMV? or is it 800- DIAL DMV? i forgot.
The number is 1-800-CALL-DMV for people within the United States. Anyone outside the country would have to go to the DMV website and get the number for the offices in Albany.
You can also find ot any of the information you need on the NYS DMV website and www.nysdmv.com This information is pertinent to the question being asked, and is the most current, and correct. If the seller cna't find his original registration document he can go to the DMV and get a replacement, like I already said.
NYSDMV Website wrote:
Question
I want to sell a vehicle that has not been registered in several years. I lost the expired transferable registration. What can I do?
Answer
The information in this answer only applies to vehicles that have a transferable registration as the proof of ownership and transfer. This answer does not apply to vehicles that receive title certificates in NYS.
NYS does not issue title certificates for motor vehicles of the 1972 model year or an earlier model year. NYS does not issue title certificates for trailers that have an unladen weight of 999 pounds or less or for some other vehicles. For these vehicles, proof of ownership and the transfer document is normally a registration receipt that displays the word "Transferable."
If you have lost the transferable registration:
•If the transferable registration expired within the last five years, you can apply for a duplicate registration. Use the duplicate registration to transfer ownership. The DMV web site has the information and instructions to apply for a duplicate registration.
•If the registration has been expired for more than five years or the registration was transferred to another vehicle, the DMV cannot issue a duplicate registration. If the DMV cannot issue a duplicate registration, you can apply for form MV-353 (Certification of Registration for Transfer of Non-titled Vehicle). The DMV office must verify that you were the registrant of the vehicle. The fee for form MV-353 is $10. You can use form MV-353 to transfer ownership of the vehicle.
•If a duplicate registration or form MV-353 is not available from the DMV, use form MV-51B (Statement of Ownership), and the other proofs listed on form MV-51B, to transfer ownership.
If you did not register the vehicle in your name, you cannot apply for a duplicate registration or form MV-353. You can use form MV-51 (Certification of Sale or Transfer for 1972 or Older Vehicles or Any Other Non-Titled Vehicles), and the other proofs listed on form MV-51, to transfer ownership. The DMV web site has the instructions to follow if the normal proof of ownership is not available. |
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VDubTech |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:54 pm |
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bluecab wrote: The bus hasnt moved since 1982 !
The front wheels are locked so while iv got everyones help does anyone know a man who can free the wheels once we have got the paperwork sorted?
thanks
paul
NY State is kind of a big place, where in NY is the Bus located? I'd be happy to take a trip and help with getting the wheels freed up and good roller tires on it for the journey. Feel free to pm me with any information and we can work it out once the paperwork is in order. Getting a transferrable registration won't be a big deal.
Oh, and you can let the seller know that he can download, fill out and print any of the forms he needs right from the DMV website so he'll have everything he needs already done when he walks in the door.
www.nysdmv.com |
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bluecab |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:01 pm |
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the bus is in Long island.
thanks |
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VDubTech |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:02 pm |
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bluecab wrote: the bus is in Long island.
thanks
Check with MrBreeze, he's on Long Island and may be able to help himself, or refer you to someone else who can. It would be a 5-6 hour one way trip for me to get to LI. |
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bluecab |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:09 pm |
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ok how do i find mr breeze?
thanks again for your help, i really like this bus and my son is getting excited - wants it here for christmas! |
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VDubTech |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:11 pm |
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123 |
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SGKent |
Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:20 pm |
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Maybe I don't understand this. A guy wants help moving a bus that hasn't moved in 27 years because he wants to sell it to a guy he hasn't met on the other side of the pond from someone who may or may not own the bus for a potential unknown profit? Maybe I am crazy to have bought a bus again and to associate here.............. |
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