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Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:51 pm

I'm going to put some adjusters in a 65 bug from beam in a couple of weeks and see cip1 have 2 different options.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C26-401-102

and

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C31-401-021-100

its a budget car so I dont mind the cheaper one and am aware the teeth arnt perfectly cut, but why does the cheaper product show the part thats in the centre of the beam, cant you use the OG part thats in the middle of the beam with those like you would with the csp ones?

:?

Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:00 pm

Those links are the same part

Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:37 pm

krusher wrote: why does the cheaper product show the part thats in the centre of the beam, cant you use the OG part thats in the middle of the beam with those like you would with the csp ones?

:?

It's the threads on the center bolt. The stock center collar is threaded in Metric, aftermarket Avis adjusters come in Standard thread.

The only Avis adjuster I'm aware that allows you to retain the oem collar are the ones sold by Gene Berg (GB 690) as they come with the proper length Metric bolt

Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:55 pm

look at the tiny aluminum teeth. your liveing on the edge. look at the bergs. you get to live where you want. a beater or a gem, i'd think you'd want the adjustment solid and secure,not "self adjusting" as time goes on. id bought 'latest rage' adjusters looked at them and installed bergs. he's correct about the bolt on the bergs being metric. the others aren't. bite the bullit and get bergs.

Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:54 pm

i hear avis adjusters will slip

Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:02 pm

Jake Martinez wrote: i hear avis adjusters will slip

More like the Avis-style sold by Latest Rage, Pacific Customs etc.... As oldmanmark stated above, the cheaper adjusters are made of Steel on Aluminum.

The good ones (@twice the price) are metal to metal.

Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:43 pm

Jake Martinez wrote: i hear avis adjusters will slip

just get new ones, & never let any idiots adjust the ride height, then they will get srtipped out & yes they will fail. Pumas are indestructable, as are the gene berg versions

Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:32 am

Thanks, the answer I needed was the imperial and metric thread difference. :D

This was the link to the csp ones http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C31-401-021-100

Teeth look better than berg (which I have used before) and there cheaper

http://www.csp-shop.de/cshop/gallery/?pic=22091_2.jpg

Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:54 am

Interestingly I just bought a pair from cip1 for $75, and they would have cost me $112 direct from CSP, and $116 from the uk supplier.

So its much cheaper to buy a german product in california than it is in germany :?

Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:38 pm

krusher wrote: Interestingly I just bought a pair from cip1 for $75, and they would have cost me $112 direct from CSP, and $116 from the uk supplier.

So its much cheaper to buy a german product in california than it is in germany :?

It's because of the currency exchange rate. The US dollar is down when compared to the Euro or Sterling.

Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:45 pm

From my experiences, I like Avis (Berg) adjusters on link/king pin beams, and have had good success using them. However, when I have used them on a ball joint beam the lower adjuster centering bolt is straight down when the car is lowered and if the car is low enough it is the first thing that gets hit. I dont use them on ball joint beams anymore.
The center pin clock position is different from link/king pin beams and ball joint beams.
The best feature of using the Avis or Avis style adjusters is that you dont have to cut the beam fully in half, only modify it.

Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:42 am

RareAir wrote: krusher wrote: Interestingly I just bought a pair from cip1 for $75, and they would have cost me $112 direct from CSP, and $116 from the uk supplier.

So its much cheaper to buy a german product in california than it is in germany :?

It's because of the currency exchange rate. The US dollar is down when compared to the Euro or Sterling.

So if the $ is down how can you purchase a product from a country with a stronger currency and then sell it for less than they do? :?

Sales tax in california is certainly less than Europe though.

I wonder what import tax an American company would pay to import a european product.

Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:51 pm

krusher wrote: RareAir wrote: krusher wrote: Interestingly I just bought a pair from cip1 for $75, and they would have cost me $112 direct from CSP, and $116 from the uk supplier.

It's because of the currency exchange rate. The US dollar is down when compared to the Euro or Sterling.

So if the $ is down how can you purchase a product from a country with a stronger currency and then sell it for less than they do? :?

When companies buy from manufacturers, they pay on a wholesale costs, which is sometimes as low as 20% of the MSRP

Then the VW shop marks the price up to the retail price to make revenue. You have to remember, shops have to factor in overhead costs & price of inventory before they can actually make some profit.

Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:55 pm

I checked with Gene Berg Ent. and they do not have the Avis adjusters any more.

Does anyone know where I can get the correct grub screw in metric? Looks to be 14 mm, 1.50 pitch and needs to be about 52 mm in length for two jamn nuts.

Worked with McMaster Carr and 14mm is an odd size. Hardness likely is about 10 and the only bolts I could find in that size/pitch were pretty low like a 5 hardness.

This is for a 65 link pin setup and I don't want to pull the bearings, and I want to keep the standard needle bearings.