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Mon May 10, 2010 8:04 pm

Agave wrote:
What about "Car of The Century" how does it address the 58/59 build date issues?
Garwood is one of the sources that lines up with the Aug 58-Jul 59 1959 model year.

Mon May 10, 2010 9:45 pm

Agave wrote: bayareabug650 wrote: My 58 has the number "4" and an upside down "K".
vin 1867065.
Alot of parts on the car are date stamped 3/58. So I am sure it's an early March built car. All 5 stock rims are date stamped 3/58 the speedo is 3/58. The drums are 3/58 (in a box being stored).
So I guess they are just inspection stamps or something like that???

Your Car was roughly built on March 12 1958? Where are the "4" and "K" located, are the near the right inspection cover, or down by the rib area like Mario's Oct 58? You would think the parts would be Feb 58, as it has been stated in other threads that parts were sometimes 1 to 3 months behind so there would not be a shortage issue? My speedo, and Headlight buckets are 12/57, the Generator is a 01/58 as well as my wheels?

Dude if my car is actually a March 12th built that's kinda scary. What if it's March 13th???? March 13th is my birthday. When I purchased the car and checked the vin all I knew this car was built really close to my
B-Day...... The 4 and "K" are above the driverside inspection plate :)

Tue May 11, 2010 6:04 am

As for the date, I believe a consensus was reached earlier in the thread: The year date was August 1st, but changes didn't necessarily correspond to the year change date for '58-'59. There were myriad changes over the course of two years I'm not even sure if there were any major changes that took place on August 1st save the marketing materials.

I need to look deeper into this, but I think the mid-year jumble finally settled out for the '61 model year ('60s are still very one-year-only-ish, but they have considerably more in common with the later cars than the earlier ones like the '58-'59s and are thus different enough to not be included in the '58-'59 schema).

Tue May 11, 2010 10:06 am

bayareabug650 wrote:
Dude if my car is actually a March 12th built that's kinda scary. What if it's March 13th???? March 13th is my birthday. When I purchased the car and checked the vin all I knew this car was built really close to my
B-Day...... The 4 and "K" are above the driverside inspection plate :)

it could be, but you really won't know till you get the Birth Certificate. Well it looks like by March they had moved the stamp location and had a different inspector? I went to "OldBug" and saw this pic of the trunk area of a Dec 4th 1957 build, and it has the "55" stamp, and what appears to be a "5" where mine has the "B"?

Sun May 16, 2010 8:14 pm

O.k , so I have pics of our Garnet Red finally.
This is my '59 that has been in the family it's whole life. My brother and I are making slow but steady progress. We'll be ready for primer and paint in the next few weeks.
http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a274/tunderwood/1959%20VW/?action=view&current=vw005.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a274/tunderwood/1959%20VW/vw004.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a274/tunderwood/1959%20VW/vw008.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a274/tunderwood/1959%20VW/vw010.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a274/tunderwood/1959%20VW/vw003.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a274/tunderwood/1959%20VW/vw009.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a274/tunderwood/1959%20VW/vw002.jpg

Sun May 23, 2010 11:37 am

I need some info from you 58/59 owners. If you happen to know if your VW has the Original Snowflakes, and can check the stampings on the "Reflector", I need to know if these were date specific like the Headlight buckets? The Reflector on mine has the Oben and VW stamp, along with the part # 111-945-226 with "S-12" right below and the letter "M" at the very bottom. My Car is a Jan 58 build. I may have to replace one due to corrosion, and am curious if these stampings are all the same or specific to what month your Car was built.... :-k

Thanks
Terry

Sun May 23, 2010 2:38 pm

I don't have the og snowflakes, but i just bought a couple here from thesamba. Both have a different number to yours, ending with 225. And both differ in little minorities from each other, e.g. weight of the glas. I have some pictures online at http://black58.blogspot.com/2010/04/endlich-rucklichter-mit-dem-neu.html

so, it seems that there is a difference in years, although i was told that they were all the same if you got Hella snowflakes ...

Sun May 23, 2010 3:10 pm

mario_0609 wrote: I don't have the og snowflakes, but i just bought a couple here from thesamba. Both have a different number to yours, ending with 225. And both differ in little minorities from each other, e.g. weight of the glas. I have some pictures online at http://black58.blogspot.com/2010/04/endlich-rucklichter-mit-dem-neu.html
so, it seems that there is a difference in years, although i was told that they were all the same if you got Hella snowflakes ...
I am not certain about the last three being 226? I can't really see it that well due to the corrosion? This particular reflector "passender side" has "T-1" and "HELLA" stamped below the part#, and the letter "M" stamped at the very bottom. The other reflector "drivers side" is the same except it has no "T-1" and the part# is 111-945-225. I wonder if the "M" is an inspectors stamp as I talked anothe 58 owner, and His has the letter "D"? His Car is a July 58 build?

"M" at the bottom inspectors mark?

T1 and HELLA? The "T1" is not stamped on my "Drivers" side, OBEN and the "VW" logo are stamped at the top but are hard to see because of the corrosion?

Wed May 26, 2010 12:59 pm

Fuel Pumps!
Not sure if this has been covered yet but I was just thinking about it as I looked over a couple 36ers I had sitting in the garage - one a May 58 and the other a November 59. It should be noted that the 58 and 59 pumps, while almost the same, can be differentiated by the the internal inlet filter on the 59 pump (as indicated by the bolt on the top cover next to the outlet fitting). Here is how I see the dating:

36 horse fuel pump: July 1955 - August 1958

36 Horse Fuel Pump: August 1958 - August 1960

Wed May 26, 2010 2:45 pm

outoftheoffice wrote: Fuel Pumps!
Not sure if this has been covered yet but I was just thinking about it as I looked over a couple 36ers I had sitting in the garage - one a May 58 and the other a November 59. It should be noted that the 58 and 59 pumps, while almost the same, can be differentiated by the the internal inlet filter on the 59 pump (as indicated by the bolt on the top cover next to the outlet fitting). Here is how I see the dating:

36 horse fuel pump: July 1955 - August 1958

36 Horse Fuel Pump: August 1958 - August 1960

Thanks for posting this info! I went out to double check my fuel pump, and it is the correct one for a Jan 58 Beetle.. :D

Wed May 26, 2010 3:03 pm

... mhm, mine doesn't fit in this scheme

have a look:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_xhmmIhDE4cM/R9bkiauxpCI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/FNRJMGiCdEg/s1600-h/IMG_3314.jpg

Wed May 26, 2010 4:00 pm

outoftheoffice wrote: [b]Fuel Pumps! Here is how I see the dating:

36 horse fuel pump: July 1955 - August 1958

36 Horse Fuel Pump: August 1958 - August 1960

The shop manual specifies fuel pumps have filters from chassis 2193349, engine 2675068., which puts in in Nov/Dec '58.
Is the photo of the '59 pump a Brazilian replacement?

Wed May 26, 2010 4:13 pm

Just as add to my post above: I have engine # 2607736 with the car being built on 22 Oct 58 and I have the older version w/out the screw.
So this would fit to my59 posted info

Wed May 26, 2010 4:23 pm

All I can think is the dates could be a little off. my59's dating sounds more accurate.

And yes, the photo is of a Brazilian replacement pump. Here is a shot of what I believe is a German unit:

Wed May 26, 2010 7:58 pm

Does anyone have a source for the filter in the pump?

I've lost two in my gravel driveway and despite having an eagle eye son who finds all kinds of lost stuff in the woods (mossberg .22, dog license tags, old bottles, cast iron toys) I can't find a replacement without buying an entire rebuild kit...

Sun May 30, 2010 4:21 pm

outoftheoffice wrote: Fuel Pumps!
Not sure if this has been covered yet but I was just thinking about it as I looked over a couple 36ers I had sitting in the garage - one a May 58 and the other a November 59. It should be noted that the 58 and 59 pumps, while almost the same, can be differentiated by the the internal inlet filter on the 59 pump (as indicated by the bolt on the top cover next to the outlet fitting). Here is how I see the dating:

36 horse fuel pump: July 1955 - August 1958

36 Horse Fuel Pump: August 1958 - August 1960

Original motor to the car.......july of 58 fuel pump. Either sometime in its life its been changed or maybe they started using them a little earlier than August of 58. :?

Sun May 30, 2010 4:23 pm

does anyone have any kind of factory serial number list of year/month of fuel pump production?

outoftheoffice wrote: 36 horse fuel pump: July 1955 - August 1958

there are 2 variations during that time period. when did they change from the short outlet to the tall outlet? tall outlet is later serial number, but anyone know when the change took place?

this is a serial number verified progression of fuel pumps, from 25hp through the end of 36hp.

Top Row, left to right: 8mm inlet & outlet, smooth top. 6mm inlet & outlet, smooth top. 6mm inlet & outlet, "domed" top, short outlet, with wavy screw area.
Bottom Row, left to right: 6mm inlet & outlet, "domed" top, short outlet, reinforcement ribbed top. 6mm inlet & outlet, domed top, tall outlet, reinforcement ribbed top. 6mm inlet & outlet, inline filter, tall outlet, reinforcement ribbed top.

Sun May 30, 2010 8:21 pm

According to the Progressive Refinements 1940/1961, it list that the Fuel Pump was modified on May 19 1959? There is no listing on what the change was.. :-k

http://oacdp.org/progref4061/k005.jpg

Mon May 31, 2010 5:37 pm

Agave wrote: mario_0609 wrote: I don't have the og snowflakes, but i just bought a couple here from thesamba. Both have a different number to yours, ending with 225. And both differ in little minorities from each other, e.g. weight of the glas. I have some pictures online at http://black58.blogspot.com/2010/04/endlich-rucklichter-mit-dem-neu.html
so, it seems that there is a difference in years, although i was told that they were all the same if you got Hella snowflakes ...
I am not certain about the last three being 226? I can't really see it that well due to the corrosion? This particular reflector "passender side" has "T-1" and "HELLA" stamped below the part#, and the letter "M" stamped at the very bottom. The other reflector "drivers side" is the same except it has no "T-1" and the part# is 111-945-225. I wonder if the "M" is an inspectors stamp as I talked anothe 58 owner, and His has the letter "D"? His Car is a July 58 build?

"M" at the bottom inspectors mark?

T1 and HELLA? The "T1" is not stamped on my "Drivers" side, OBEN and the "VW" logo are stamped at the top but are hard to see because of the corrosion?
the tail light reflectors on my 58 are marked like this. I believe it is a Nov 58 car

Mon May 31, 2010 7:21 pm

58Dub wrote:
the tail light reflectors on my 58 are marked like this. I believe it is a Nov 58 car

Thanks for the post 58Dub.. :D So yours has "S-10" and "H" for the letter, is it from the Drivers side, or Passenger? I wonder what the "S-10" means, and why mine is a "S-12"? The "H" must be an inspectors mark, "M" for my Jan 58, a "D" for a July 58, and a "H" for a Nov 58?