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Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:36 pm

Please help !
In search for a proper nose cone for my 54 I came across this. to my knowledge this should be a BD nose ?! How come the parts nr. 21.09.9 ??
and not a 29....
and why is the cogwheel VW badge on the shifter lever?

I've read quite some threads about trannie swapping even in early split bugs but didn't get wise really. Can I use this nose ( if it is an early non synchro BD nose) on a pre59beetle straight axle split case trans (in my panel)?

Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:23 pm

Here's the nosecone from my early '54 Single Cab:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=612829
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=612830
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=612831
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=612832

It's broken was replaced with NOS so I still have it in my garage if you need any other information.

I can see your nose cone has different ribbing in the front. Could it be from a Split Beetle?

Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:08 am

Thanx, Everett.mine could be split bug then. exactly is missing the 2 outer ribs and the later vent opening, has 2 holes instead.
I was refering the 21. code to type 2, but it obviously is the part code !
( as seen on yours, has the 29.21.09.)
That's why there's the cogwheel on the shift lever. early split bug probably. Though this came from a pile of BD specific trannie parts.
I will have to check if this will fit the 54-59 bug trannie and my bus . Will post efforts here.
regards Guenter

Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:44 am

My 53 has the same nose cone as does Ken's 53. That particular nose cone seems to be from early BD transaxles. Not sure about my hockey stick as I have never inspected it.
See the post about halfway down on this thread.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2...;start=100

Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:58 am

Yes that's a non syncromesh bardnoor one (probably split bug too)

Everett's picture is a syncromesh gearbox one

I don't know if it will fit a pre 59 bug gearbox though sorry

Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:00 pm

hi Gunter,
Im pretty sure you can use that nose on an early bug box. That is exactly what Im planning and I test fitted my non-synchro nose cone on an early splitcase bug trans that was empty... it fits and everything looked good, but as the case was empty Im not 100% sure..

jeroen

Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:46 pm

Like 52panelvan said, what you have is a non-synchromesh nose cone (type 1 up to September '52, type 2 up to March '53). It won't fit on a synchromesh splitcase gearbox which requires a deeper recess in the nose cone for the lower ball bearing.

Non-synchromesh:

Synchromesh:

To mount a pre '59 beetle splitcase gearbox in your barndoor bus you'll need an April '53 to May '59 bus nose cone (part number 211 301 205 A).

Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:56 am

Thanx to everybody for the great info !!! the drawings from crashbox point out extremely nice ! I will have to check if my splitbug/early BD nose can be machined down to accept the lower bearing. first I will have to dig up one of my synchro split case bug trannies under a foot of snow or so :D
@ Trevor P: I knew I had seen info already but couldn't find the above mentioned thread. I will have to study this a bit more. Man, I sure got a lot to learn about that BD stuff.

Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:42 pm

Here's a synchro trans nose cone of a 53up BD (along with the other split bug nose). Hopefully this will mount a pre 60 straight and narrow 30PS bug transmission in my 54 panel.

Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:37 pm

Hello
I update this thread, I have a 53 dlx, the transmission was changed by a later type in the 60's, the only thing I'm supposing they kept is the nose cone with ref 21.09.1 ( see my picture)
I'm now rebuilding a correct 53 with original cases and nose cone.
From what I have read there I'd have the 29.21.09. 1 ref nose cone with top cylinder breather, but when I check my 53 workshop manual I can see nose cone without cylinder breather but with 2 holes...
I also compared to my all original matching March 53 oval, the nose cone is with cylinder breather but 1 rib... 🤔
I'm lost...
My question is what was factory fitted mid 53?
Thank you for your help
Yan

Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:41 pm

My 53 workshop pictures:

Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:46 pm

My March 53 bug nose cone :

The nose cone with 2 breath holes I suppose original from my 53 bus

Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:49 pm

And the 2 breathers design : 2 holes / cylinder breather

Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:13 am

Hello,
Someone can help?
Thanks

Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:29 am

Have a look here: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/berater_29.php
and here https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/berater_1.php