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Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:16 pm

Excuse me if this is a repost, and if so, ignore.

Cip1 seems to have a new style thermostat that replaces VWC-111-119-159-A which, from what I understand, can be adapted to fit a T4.

With the NOS part getting hard to find, what are the thoughts on this product?

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-043-119-159&Click=113780

Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:45 pm

From what I understand those are no good. Fail closed and unreliable.

Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:23 pm

Save your money.

Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:25 pm

Haven't owned one and never will. NOS T1 and T4 thermostats are still out there. They fail but when they do it is in the open position. The new style fail in the closed position.

Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:28 pm

Thanks guys, thats good info.

Why any engineer would design these to fail in the closed position is beyond me.

If someone wanted to design, develop and sell a new, well designed replacement, I bet i would be a goldmine.

I have my old one, but the bellows is torn up in a few spots. So, I will be saving my money.

Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:20 pm

SGKent wrote: Haven't owned one and never will. NOS T1 and T4 thermostats are still out there. They fail but when they do it is in the open position. The new style fail in the closed position.

Plus there are people converting the Corvair thermostat's for use on VW's. Afriend of mine has been running one for a few months now and reports it's working fine. Peace!

Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:46 pm

1977_L63H_P27 wrote: SGKent wrote: Haven't owned one and never will. NOS T1 and T4 thermostats are still out there. They fail but when they do it is in the open position. The new style fail in the closed position.

Plus there are people converting the Corvair thermostat's for use on VW's. Afriend of mine has been running one for a few months now and reports it's working fine. Peace!

I bought a couple of Corvair thermostats a few years ago to try and the price was reasonable. There are a couple of different designs, some larger in diameter than others. Try Clarks Corvair or something like that.

Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:10 pm

Where would one source a Corvair thermo? I assume it would be somewhere online, possibly an enthusiasts parts supplier or something.

Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:32 pm

rebuild it
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1036746

Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:09 pm

mikewire wrote: Where would one source a Corvair thermo? I assume it would be somewhere online, possibly an enthusiasts parts supplier or something.

Quote: I bought a couple of Corvair thermostats a few years ago to try and the price was reasonable. There are a couple of different designs, some larger in diameter than others. Try Clarks Corvair or something like that.

Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:39 pm

Ratwell details the thermostats, and also rebuilding one yourself. Some of his image links are still dead as he is slowly having to rehost the image library, but all the information is there:

http://www.ratwell.com/technical/Thermostats.html

German Supply give a tutorial here on adapting a Wahler Type 1 thermostat to a Type 4:

http://www.germansupply.com/xcart/customer/home.ph..._in_t4.tpl

Those new South American thermostats at CIP1, as you have figured, are disasters waiting to happen, to many reports of them failing closed. Keep checkig the classifieds for second hand and NOS Wahler units, Type 4 if your lucky, or just do the simple adaption of the Type 1 as described in the links above, that's what I did.

Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:25 pm

Wildthings wrote: 1977_L63H_P27 wrote: SGKent wrote: Haven't owned one and never will. NOS T1 and T4 thermostats are still out there. They fail but when they do it is in the open position. The new style fail in the closed position.

Plus there are people converting the Corvair thermostat's for use on VW's. Afriend of mine has been running one for a few months now and reports it's working fine. Peace!

I bought a couple of Corvair thermostats a few years ago to try and the price was reasonable. There are a couple of different designs, some larger in diameter than others. Try Clarks Corvair or something like that.
http://www.corvair.com/user-cgi/catalog.cgi?functi...page=NOS-3

in Massachusetts on rt 2.. they open around 95 ° c

Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:30 pm

78Kombi wrote:

in Massachusetts on rt 2.. they open around 95 ° c

Looks like 1961 and later thermostats are out of stock. :cry:

Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:16 pm

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=602785
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=958420
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=999043
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=391004
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1025654
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1067055

Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:57 pm

SGKent wrote: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=602785
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=958420
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=999043
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=391004
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1025654
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1067055

Those last two T-4 thermostats in the VW parts network that I bought 5-6 years ago are looking like a good investment at this point. Don't remember what I paid, but I thought at the time it was surprisingly little.

Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:51 am

Great ideas and links. Mine is far from where I can rebuild it unfortunately, so I will need to find an NOS or used one, good info.

The Corvair thermo is something I will check into, and report back.

Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:34 am

mikewire wrote: Great ideas and links. Mine is far from where I can rebuild it unfortunately, so I will need to find an NOS or used one, good info.

The Corvair thermo is something I will check into, and report back.

Did you somehow miss this?

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1036746

This guy's willing to stand behind these with a 2 year warranty. I've had new german thermostats fail faster than that.

If people don't buy them, they probably won't get made anymore. That'd be a damn shame in my opinion.

Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:41 am

Hey that's something I did miss, thank you. Sounds like a great deal and something I need to jump on.

Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:39 am

josh wrote:
If people don't buy them, they probably won't get made anymore. That'd be a damn shame in my opinion.

Production is done with for these thermostats, supposedly the factory burned and the dies were destroyed. The ones that are out there hidden in warehouses, garages, and back rooms are all there are.

Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:20 pm

josh wrote:
Did you somehow miss this?

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1036746

This guy's willing to stand behind these with a 2 year warranty. I've had new german thermostats fail faster than that.

If people don't buy them, they probably won't get made anymore. That'd be a damn shame in my opinion.

Thanks again for the link Josh - I just purchased one yesterday and I should have it soon.