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Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:17 pm

Type 4 motor was the only choice here when new. There are a few 1600's running around that have been imported. I used to own a French spec 1977 kombi with a stock 1600 in it for a while.

Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:46 pm

Stuartzickefoose wrote: there was never a 72 1.6 either...its a 1.7. worth looking into for sure, but i doubt it came with one.

The M-plate code pulled this:

157 Fuel Injection Engine :
- Engine nr. ED 0000001 -- ED 0025000
- Engine nr. GD 0000001 -- GD 0055800
- Engine nr. GE 0007083 --
- Engine nr. GD 0010984 -- GD 0027786
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
- Engine nr. GD 0019172 -- GD 0025723
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
251 With 1.7 liter engine (66 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
251 With 1.8 liter engine (66/70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
251 With 2.0 liter engine (70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)

I'm guessing maybe someone put a 2.0 liter in it, but it has one.

Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:19 pm

ratherb-buggin wrote: Stuartzickefoose wrote: there was never a 72 1.6 either...its a 1.7. worth looking into for sure, but i doubt it came with one.

The M-plate code pulled this:

157 Fuel Injection Engine :
- Engine nr. ED 0000001 -- ED 0025000
- Engine nr. GD 0000001 -- GD 0055800
- Engine nr. GE 0007083 --
- Engine nr. GD 0010984 -- GD 0027786
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
- Engine nr. GD 0019172 -- GD 0025723
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
251 With 1.7 liter engine (66 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
251 With 1.8 liter engine (66/70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
251 With 2.0 liter engine (70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)

I'm guessing maybe someone put a 2.0 liter in it, but it has one.
The code reader apparently doesn't offer all the subscripts that come with codes like that, 251 like many applies to many years and many different engines, it should include something like (* from VIN 21210000-21399900) after each version to indicate the date range that particular version of the code applies to.

Just what reader are you using BTW? because M157 is a smog package and not fuel injection.

Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:52 am

busdaddy wrote: ratherb-buggin wrote: Stuartzickefoose wrote: there was never a 72 1.6 either...its a 1.7. worth looking into for sure, but i doubt it came with one.

The M-plate code pulled this:

157 Fuel Injection Engine :
- Engine nr. ED 0000001 -- ED 0025000
- Engine nr. GD 0000001 -- GD 0055800
- Engine nr. GE 0007083 --
- Engine nr. GD 0010984 -- GD 0027786
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
- Engine nr. GD 0019172 -- GD 0025723
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
251 With 1.7 liter engine (66 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
251 With 1.8 liter engine (66/70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
251 With 2.0 liter engine (70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)

I'm guessing maybe someone put a 2.0 liter in it, but it has one.
The code reader apparently doesn't offer all the subscripts that come with codes like that, 251 like many applies to many years and many different engines, it should include something like (* from VIN 21210000-21399900) after each version to indicate the date range that particular version of the code applies to.

Just what reader are you using BTW? because M157 is a smog package and not fuel injection.

Hmm... vw-mplate.com is what I used. Do you know of an accurate m-plate decoding guide or website busdaddy?

Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:26 pm

The details about m code 157 are on type2.com, there is a link at the bottom of that page where they are broken out by number. It lists the different meanings for it depending on what engine #.
http://www.type2.com/m-codes/t2mcodes.html

Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:53 pm

SGKent wrote: Quote: Wrong! I know you love your bus but to me, and many others, 72 is the BEST year of the baywindow. I also know that others may think it is the WORST year. Personally, I love its uniqueness. It is the last year for the good body style and bumpers and first year of the type IV (a positive to me).

It was a transisiton year. I had a friend who bought one new. It was in the shop more than he drove it. Do a 1973. You get the safety and the dual carbs plus lower head temps.

Uhh :-s , the 72's also came stock with dual carbs. As for head temps the later the year the worse the head temps were (generally speaking). Starting in 73 the smog Nazis became more prevalent and as the models years increased so did the likely hood for higher CHT's.

The 72 had the best look as far as late model buses. You had the early front end with the added new rear end look and the addition of the first year bay with Type-4 engine. It was also the most produced year of all late model buses. As the late model bus years went on their popularity among the US population waned and their production numbers proved that.

Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:57 pm

Stuartzickefoose wrote: busdaddy wrote: Stuartzickefoose wrote: there was never a 72 1.6 either...
Except for the European market, but a 2.0 is definitely odd, look at the plate closer incase you got a number wrong and try a few of the other decode sites.

true, forgot about the upright being a euro option...

It wasn't an option. That was it (upright 1.6) as far as the Euro market. No other choice, nadda, zip, nothing...

Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:45 am

Was a T4 ever a Eurupean option or stock in a Bay?

Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:02 am

1967250s wrote: Was a T4 ever a Eurupean option or stock in a Bay?

See above.

Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:38 pm

Type 4 engines were certainly available in some European markets. Unlike the Canadian and American spec fuel injected versions, they came with dual carbs, even on the 2 litre models. Not sure if available in all European countries, but definitely available in Germany. I have worked on several of these over the years. I am not sure about 1972 models specifically however...

Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:09 am

Volktales wrote: Type 4 engines were certainly available in some European markets. Unlike the Canadian and American spec fuel injected versions, they came with dual carbs, even on the 2 litre models. Not sure if available in all European countries, but definitely available in Germany. I have worked on several of these over the years. I am not sure about 1972 models specifically however...

Not that I recall. They (T-4 engine) were however standard in the Canadian-US market.

Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:15 am

udidwht wrote: Volktales wrote: Type 4 engines were certainly available in some European markets. Unlike the Canadian and American spec fuel injected versions, they came with dual carbs, even on the 2 litre models. Not sure if available in all European countries, but definitely available in Germany. I have worked on several of these over the years. I am not sure about 1972 models specifically however...

Not that I recall. They (T-4 engine) were however standard in the Canadian-US market.
They were optional in almost all markets, I've seen them in UK, German and Sweden delivered buses often and the odd one in other countries, license fees were based on engine displacement in many European countries so many owners opted for the 1600 to keep costs low.

Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:21 pm

Of course, I remember now in many European countries, you are taxed on the size of your motor.

Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:35 pm

What Carbs were used on the euro 2 liter? Has anyone ever put on pdsit's 32/34's on a 2L? If so, how did it run?

Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:02 pm

Many years ago my first bus was a 72 westy. It was a rust bucket basket case. I had it totally restored at a body shop and then I did the interior and engine. I loved that bus for the solid build quality and looks, but disliked it for the gearing in the trans and the lack of easy access to the engine. The late ones are definitely built more cheaply but I do feel a little more safe in them in the event of a crash. That bus eventually succumbed to a power line and pole falling on it in a big wind storm and went to the highway in the sky.

Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:22 pm

Having owned a '72, '74, and a '77 Westfalia, without question the '72 had the best build quality. VW was really cost cutting in the '70s and it shows. Little things include lack of paint quality in hidden areas, removing the glass lens from the extra spot in the gauge cluster, changing the heater control labels to allow only one cheapo bulb, installing the dashboard side trim plates with 2 screws instead of 3, cheapo plastic engine compartment lid prop slides instead of nice rollers, etc, etc. The late 2 litre buses with injection are the nicest to drive however...

Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:18 pm

1967250s wrote: What Carbs were used on the euro 2 liter? Has anyone ever put on pdsit's 32/34's on a 2L? If so, how did it run?
VW did: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=234646

Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:17 pm

Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:31 pm

Something different about the rear brakes? I'm about to do this job soon.

Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:32 pm

So my 72 had high blinkers. But so signes of welding on a new nose. Whats up with that?!?!

It was made in june a believe. Out of North Carolina