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Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:14 pm

I'm installing a mohair headliner from WW on my '57 and on a whim I picked up a large roll of 3/8" carpet padding from Home Depot. You guys think this will do the trick?

I purchased Chris Vallone's video and he mentions two types of carpet padding-

1. Thin felt-like material with a plastic backing that you remove (which I cannot find at Lowe's or both of my Home Depots)
2. Roll of carpet padding from Home Depot

I was thinking I'd use just the 3/8" padding, anybody try doing it this way? Its the thinnest carpet padding I could find without going to a Jo Anne's fabric type place. Have I lost my mind?

I'm also going to use Quick-Roof for soundproofing, its really neat stuff.

Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:48 pm

I found a synthetic padding that was made from recycled material, doesn't absorb water, was easy to work with and trim and gave good results after installing on my '60 sunroof. I got the 3/8" thickness, but it was also easy to separate into two thinner strips by peeling it apart.

http://perfectfit.com/15269/156051/Carpet--Padding/Auto-Carpet-Felt-Padding.html

Not a very good photo, but here's a shot of that padding installed in my car. It was easy to get clean seams when joining two sections and overall, I've been pleased with it so far.

I watched that video, too. It was a great resource for a first-timer, but it also showed me a lot of things that I didn't want to do or wanted to do differently.

Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:25 pm

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/111707403230714456804/albums/5680358956789794865

Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:35 pm

Thanks that answers that!

Wow beautiful restoration!

Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:20 pm

so how are you affixing the padding to the car? and then how are you affixing the carpet to the padding? all with the same spray glue stuff??

Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:52 pm

I would not put anything in your beetle that couldn't breath. Please don't put that multi colored carpet foam in your car :( I think, hell I know your car deserves better.

Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:59 pm

bjoy wrote: so how are you affixing the padding to the car? and then how are you affixing the carpet to the padding? all with the same spray glue stuff??

Not sure who this question was directed to, and I certainly don't want to hijack this thread, but when I did my install, I used 3M General Trim Adhesive for the padding and headliner and 3M High strength 90 for carpet, etc.

The General Trim Adhesive is "made for automotive" use and is holding well so far, though it's only been 9 or 10 months since the install. It was more forgiving for the headliner install as far as repositioning goes. The 3M 90 was pretty much a one shot deal. I practiced dry several times on each piece before spraying any glue, because once it was placed with glue, there wasn't really any repositioning it if I screwed up.

Schwing, since you're already set up for painting, you would probably be able to contact a local upholstery shop about getting the bulk adhesive that they use, though you'd probably want to use a cheaper spray gun that's reserved just for the glue. I would have preferred to go that route, but I don't have the equipment.

Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:33 am

bjoy wrote: so how are you affixing the padding to the car? and then how are you affixing the carpet to the padding? all with the same spray glue stuff??

Yes I was planning to use 3M Super80, only because the Super90 I found had more of a spray nozzle, not the "spout" that is recommended. No need to mist glue everywhere, I'd rather have a direct spray.

Lovethatconvertible, you make a strong argument. I have to think this over some more. Whats cool is I don't have to use the padding I bought, since my wife can toss it under an area rug, so no loss there.

vwsonmybrain, interesting link I will check it out.

part of me thinks I should just pony up for the headliner padding kit from WW and be done with the speculation. there I went trying to save a buck and be creative :)

Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:41 am

vwsonmybrain wrote: I found a synthetic padding that was made from recycled material, doesn't absorb water, was easy to work with and trim and gave good results after installing on my '60 sunroof. I got the 3/8" thickness, but it was also easy to separate into two thinner strips by peeling it apart.

http://perfectfit.com/15269/156051/Carpet--Padding/Auto-Carpet-Felt-Padding.html

How much did you buy? Couple of choices on their site:

Price is per lineal yard of padding
Photo SKU Weight/Width 1+ 30+ Quantity
123 27 ounce 36" wide Ecospun Carpet Pad $5.25 $3.67 add to cart
Photo SKU Weight/Width 1+ 15+ Quantity
132 32 ounce 72" wide Ecospun Carpet Pad $7.70 $6.16 add to cart

Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:10 pm

Schwing wrote: How much did you buy? Couple of choices on their site:

I'll have to double check tonight, but I think I got 3 yards of the 36" width, which gave me enough to screw up a few times and still have extra.

I used that padding only for the headliner and B pillars, though. For the rear luggage area, I used the WW carpet padding kit, for the pans I used the WW tar board (floor insulation) kit and no padding along the top of the heater channels and firewall.

For sound deadening, I used Elemental Designs eDead 45 Sound Deadening - 50Sq. Ft. through Amazon. That was enough to do the rear luggage area, the tunnel, both doors and the rear quarters, with plenty extra leftover.

You might take another look for the 3M 90. The cans I bought did have the 'fan' nozzle that you can rotate for horizontal or vertical spray patterns.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:14 am

Hi,
Make sure any adhesive you use is suitable for high temperature applications. Ordinary upholstery aerosol adhesive isn't; the roof of a car can get very hot in summer and the last thing you want is for the adhesive to soften and your soundproofing to come away and drop down onto your new headlining! :x

Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:31 am

mr magyar wrote: Hi,
Make sure any adhesive you use is suitable for high temperature applications. Ordinary upholstery aerosol adhesive isn't; the roof of a car can get very hot in summer and the last thing you want is for the adhesive to soften and your soundproofing to come away and drop down onto your new headlining! :x
DITTO!

Use the felt material you buy at an auto upholstery supply.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:46 am

Alright so you guys are saying Super80 was not a good purchase?
I wanted the Super90 but it didn't have the right nozzle.

Also agreed on all levels, I will get the right padding.

Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:08 pm

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:37 pm

This is the glue you need.
http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-27828-Headliner-Adh...ewpoints=1

Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:28 pm

OvalDash52 wrote: This is the glue you need.
http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-27828-Headliner-Adh...ewpoints=1

I just bought two cans. Thanks man.

Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:15 am

vwsonmybrain wrote: Schwing wrote: How much did you buy? Couple of choices on their site:

I'll have to double check tonight, but I think I got 3 yards of the 36" width, which gave me enough to screw up a few times and still have extra.

I used that padding only for the headliner and B pillars, though. For the rear luggage area, I used the WW carpet padding kit, for the pans I used the WW tar board (floor insulation) kit and no padding along the top of the heater channels and firewall.

For sound deadening, I used Elemental Designs eDead 45 Sound Deadening - 50Sq. Ft. through Amazon. That was enough to do the rear luggage area, the tunnel, both doors and the rear quarters, with plenty extra leftover.

You might take another look for the 3M 90. The cans I bought did have the 'fan' nozzle that you can rotate for horizontal or vertical spray patterns.

Ok Permatex Heavy Duty Carpet and Headliner Adhesive just showed up, thanks OvalDash. Now its time to purchase the padding and quit talking about it!

So you said you think you bought about 2 yards of the 36" 3/8? Can you confirm so I can place my order? Was that enough for both carpet and headliner padding? Thanks, looking to place this order today so I can get cracking this weekend. Cheers.

Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:53 am

Sorry... forgot to follow up. It was 3 yards of the 36". I only used it for the headliner, though, as I used the WW carpet padding kit for the luggage area. Their rear luggage area kit uses the original style material with an extra tar paper layer, as well, to help sound deaden. For the floor pans, I used the the WW floor insulation kit (thick tar board).

The photo I posted above shows a bulk of the areas that I used the felt padding on. The areas you don't see or that aren't obvious are also around the rear window, down the B pillars and a large rectangular pad on the roof, behind the sunroof opening. Even with a few mistakes, I had the better part of a yard left over.

There's no reason you couldn't use that same felt padding for the luggage area, as well, though, as it's a nice, dense material and would work really well there. You'd just have to measure out that rear luggage area and order a little more. It would certainly be less expensive than the WW kit and if you're already sound deadening with the Quick roof or similar material you don't really need to spend the extra money.

I'm using the original style rubber floor mats in my car, so I liked the tar board on the pans better.

I could send you a sample piece of the felt material so you can get a better idea of what it's like if you want. PM me if so.

Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:33 am

Ok I ordered 4 yards, thanks a lot for the help! They say it will be here by the weekend so hopefully I can get started. Thanks again.