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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:21 pm

Hi,
i found these speedo dated 8/46 some days ago. It was lying for the last 50 years in the basement of a former VW-dealer in Berlin. Does anyone know anything about this speedo? I’m happy about any hint about were these speedo was applied.
Greetz,
Nicolas

Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:32 pm

Looks like a younger brother of the Berlin/Rome car speedo.

There where some vw based race cars after the war.
I would guess it comes out of one of those.

Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:34 pm

If this was for a production car I would call it "Wunschdenken".

:D

Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:49 am

Has anyone photos or further informations of vw based after war race cars?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:37 am

That would be awesome for a split or barndoor with a beefed up motor :)

and, a beetle is certainly able to hit 160km per hour, 100mph, n the speedo, just takes a longer hill on the autobahn

usariemen wrote: Looks like a younger brother of the Berlin/Rome car speedo.

There where some vw based race cars after the war.
I would guess it comes out of one of those.

Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:03 am

Interesting how the paint on that VW emblem tab has fared much better than that of the main speedo dial.

Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:45 pm

i would take it for the hebmuller :lol:

nice find!

Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:25 am

Nice find.

btw sorry to ask, but the logo "VW" is ok on that speedo? shouldn't be the other kdf? :?

regards.

Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:24 am

When did that speedometer ended? I am seeing two different kind of split speedometer. That one in pic above and other one with brown, ivory face.

Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:25 am

Very interesting find. BTW, the "0.49" on the housing is the rolling ratio (0.49 rotations per meter), this is the same at the 16" wheel beetles have always used, which means it was intended for a car with stock wheel sizes. Of course if it were built for a racer, they may have opted for the best wheel for that, and not cared about speedo accuracy.

Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:00 am

From what I understand VDO/Viegel made these for a number of vehicles in this design. It does have to be said that that VW tag at the top seems to have been added at a later date (aren't blue tags for '48 models?).

I also thought that '46 speedometers had the drive exiting at 90 degrees to the case rather than at 45 degrees (maybe that change happened before 8/46, I aam not sure).

Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:24 am

RichOakley wrote: From what I understand VDO/Viegel made these for a number of vehicles in this design. It does have to be said that that VW tag at the top seems to have been added at a later date (aren't blue tags for '48 models?).

I also thought that '46 speedometers had the drive exiting at 90 degrees to the case rather than at 45 degrees (maybe that change happened before 8/46, I aam not sure).

Yes, but it also has the VW L-part number stamped on the back, so it would seem it was made for VW....... of course they may have just used that housing because that is what they had available.

Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:42 am

Thanks for your opinions. The only thing I can certainty say is that the speedometer definitely was deposited since the mid-fifties and no one has changed anything on it. Perhaps someone has photos of something similar?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:01 am

johnshenry wrote: RichOakley wrote: From what I understand VDO/Viegel made these for a number of vehicles in this design. It does have to be said that that VW tag at the top seems to have been added at a later date (aren't blue tags for '48 models?).

I also thought that '46 speedometers had the drive exiting at 90 degrees to the case rather than at 45 degrees (maybe that change happened before 8/46, I aam not sure).

Yes, but it also has the VW L-part number stamped on the back, so it would seem it was made for VW....... of course they may have just used that housing because that is what they had available.

Good point John. Didn't spot the 'L'.

Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:03 pm

Very interesting speedo, here's some pics of a 4.46 speedo I sold ages ago ...

Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:10 pm

It comes out of this car. Well, maybe. :wink:
At least it ran in Berlin 1948.

Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:26 am

What kind of car is on the pic?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:27 pm

salonici wrote: What kind of car is on the pic?

What does it look like?
It is a vw based race car.
The info I have says it has a 1,1 Liter VW engine, so it maybe is Kübel based.
The engine was modified to 42 PS and the lightweight body made it a 380 Kilogramm car.
I do not know its top speed but a speedo with the stock vw range was not enough for sure.

Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:50 am

I've just been informed that the speedometer is from a Petermax Mueller record-breaking car.

Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:49 pm

Very cool 8) ! How did you find out?

BTW anything else in that basement?