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Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:32 am

ok this is the deal i have 2 local VW experts who say. they never made a single port 1600CC and they never made a dual port 1500CC...please help stop the hatefields and mc coys here...thanks

Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:22 am

To the best of my knowledge, VW (for type 1s) never made a dual port 1500cc engines. The 1500cc was a single port and ran from 1967 through 1969 rated at 53hp. 1970 was the only year of a 1600cc single port in a Type 1 rated at 57hp. From 1971 and on, they were 1600cc dual ports rated at 60hp. No 1500cc dual ports in Type1. There were aftermarket dual port heads available from aftermarket sources, most notably Okrasa for the 40hp 1200cc engine platform. VW introduced the 1600cc dual port engines in 1967 in the Type 3.

Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:49 pm

1970 Beetles had a 1600cc singleport engine.

From 1971 onward only 1600cc dual ports were available in USA but in other contries Standard Beetles had a 1300cc dual port engine and the Super Beetles had the 1600cc dual port engine.

1500cc dual port engines were never produced. However, since 1600cc dual port heads will fit on any 1500cc engine it is possible to make one yourself. It is also possible to put 1300cc dual port heads on a 1200cc engine if you wish.

Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:42 pm

My 1776 single port with dual ICTs runs great.

Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:46 am

The number is not there only on the chart is HO 593 766 , that comes close for my 1967 bug engines # HO 590 577. Any reason why ? I am trying to find out if its a 1500 and its Horse Power. Anyone ?

Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:55 am

From
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/bugchassisdating.php

Yes, that is a 1500.
44HP, assuming it is still stock.

The numbers there are only numbers for the LAST serial number of a given month and year.
Plus a few other random ones thrown in from other VW sources.

Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:11 am

Juanito84 wrote: .. in other contries Standard Beetles had a 1300cc dual port engine and the Super Beetles had the 1600cc dual port engine.

Pardonnez moi, aber das ist falsch amigo. In Europe the 1303, a SuperBeetle, had a 1300dp engine. The SuperBeetle 1303S was 1600dp. Standard Beetle in Europe, and to the best of my knowledge anywhere else, did not have dp motors, but I have been wrong many times b4.

Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:21 pm

Volks Wagen wrote: Juanito84 wrote: .. in other contries Standard Beetles had a 1300cc dual port engine and the Super Beetles had the 1600cc dual port engine.

Pardonnez moi, aber das ist falsch amigo. In Europe the 1303, a SuperBeetle, had a 1300dp engine. The SuperBeetle 1303S was 1600dp. Standard Beetle in Europe, and to the best of my knowledge anywhere else, did not have dp motors, but I have been wrong many times b4.

Only half wrong on this one
Standard and Super had both in the 70s.
THe single port 1200 was still available right till end in both standard beetles and Supers but the 1300 and 1600 from 71 in both super and standard were only DP.

The grey market cars like Brazil and Mexico were still doing their own things like 1500 single ports in the 70s though.

Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:33 pm

I was only speaking "in general" and not every specific engine made by VW in any year.

There have been single port 1100 (25hp), 1200 (both 36 and 40hp), 1300, 1500 and 1600cc engines and dual port 1300, 1600 and even a 1700cc in Brazil (if I'm not mistaken) for type 1's. Plus the type 4 engines: 1700cc, 1800cc and 2000cc. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:23 pm

For what it's worth, my worldwide engines chart:

Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:08 pm

I have an engine block number H5 132171. What is the difference between an H0 and a H5 block. Looks like they are both 1500cc but the H5 lists it as a 1500 M157. Any thoughts?
Thanks

Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:56 pm

M157 was USA-emissions certified. All of the H5 engines were for such cars (and for model year 1970, the B6 engine was as well)

Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:42 am

H5 engines (M157 smog) were low compression if I remember right. and it used a distributor with 0TDC timing in an attempt to reduce idle emissions.

My 1970 H1 series 1500 engine has 7.5:1 compression and uses a distributor with 7.5BTDC timing.

And for info the 1600 single port was used on the type2 (Kombis etc) in 68 and 69 before it went in the USA bugs in 1970 (the rest of the world stayed with the 1500 for bugs that year), so the 1600sp was a 3-year engine.

In fact the Kombi usually saw the larger sized engine a year or two before it was put in the bugs. That goes for the 1300, the 1500 and the 1600sp engines. Then in 71 the twin port engine were introduced, both 1300 and 1600 versions, and the old 1200s were also offered as an option in many countries, especially in Europe where the fuel prices have always been high.

So outside the USA, you could choose from 2 or 3 engine sizes for your bug in most years after 1964.

And outside the USA the Kombi/bus could still be had with the twin port 1600 engine as an option well into the 70s. A lot of later model camper vans in the UK still use the 1600tp engine (I had a good chat to some of them and looked at their vans at a camp site on a recent visit to the UK).

The USA only ever got the largest engine available in any one year (and got left with drum brakes when the rest of the world went to OEM front discs in 68 on the 1500/1600 engined bugs).

My 68 and 70 1500s both have OEM disc brakes, still with their ORIGINAL calipers which use the single pin (Bendix BD23) pads.

Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:29 am

No, M157 weren't low compression, at least not during the H or B series engines. It wasn't until 1972 that the M157 spec had lower compression.

Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:47 am

South Africa'n bugs have drum brakes all around until the end of production in 78.

Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:31 pm

Hey people, new guy here so if this is in the wrong thread let me know.

I recently purchased a 1968 Beetle and need a little help with the engine code. I can't find any matching codes on any site I checked and heard you guys know just about everything lol. The code is D 0663550. Any information would be greatly appreciated. I'll get some pictures put up when I figure out how lol[/img]

Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:51 am

limegreen68bug wrote: Hey people, new guy here so if this is in the wrong thread let me know.

I recently purchased a 1968 Beetle and need a little help with the engine code. I can't find any matching codes on any site I checked and heard you guys know just about everything lol. The code is D 0663550. Any information would be greatly appreciated. I'll get some pictures put up when I figure out how lol[/img]

Welcome Limegreen68

It's a 1970 1200 engine

From my list at www.vw-resource.com/years.html

1970 (1 Aug 69 to 31 July 70)
Chassis 110,2000,001 - 110,3100,000
Engine D 0,525,050 - D 0,674,999 34bhp(DIN)1200
Engine E 0,020,022 - E 0,022,000 37bhp(DIN)1300(US-M240smog)
Engine F 1,778,164 - F 2,200,000 40bhp(DIN)1300
Engine L 0,024,107 - L 0,026,500 40bhp(DIN)1500(US-M240smog)
Engine H 1,124,699 - H 1,350,000 44bhp(DIN)1500(not to US)
Engine B 6,000,001 - B 6,600,000 47bhp(DIN)1600 (to US)

The 1200 engine continued right up to the end of German production in 1986. Not very common to see them in the USA after 1965, but still very popular in other parts of the world.

Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:46 pm

And keep in mind, that is what that engine was BORN as. It may very well not still be a 1200 engine any more. From model year 1970, German made 1200 blocks were identical to their 1300 and larger counterparts, and as such, it's easy to use such a block to build one of those larger engines on.

Oh, by the way, while 1200 Beetles were sold in Germany through 1986, from mid 1978 to 1986 they were actually made in Mexico.

Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:46 am

glutamodo wrote:

Oh, by the way, while 1200 Beetles were sold in Germany through 1986, from mid 1978 to 1986 they were actually made in Mexico.

Interesting - it has always been my understanding that they were MADE in Germany up to and including 86. The last few years of production being all 1200s.

Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:06 am

Nope, January 19 1978 was the last Beetle Sedan made in Germany. 1182034030