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supaninja Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:01 am

I would leave the rad up front, your just not going to get enough airflow in back, the fan is only for when your not moving.

Bliss13 Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:19 am

69SquareGuy wrote: Did you trade your notch for this? Yep. I didn't have the love for, or dedication to the car required to spend the time and money I started to realize it would take.

[email protected] wrote: I can guarantee you that Outfront didn't mount the radiator. But it shouldn't be hard to improve upon Based on the sand cars they've built, I agree. I'm sure they would have fabbed some kinda cool billet pieces or at least powdercoated steal. Maybe they just handled the motor install. Is this a project you'd be interested in cleaning up?

kooldub wrote: sweet "project"!! if you could post any pics of the whole set up, maybe how the hoses were run from the radiator to the engine, it would be nice to compare what others did and what not to do on my conversion.
I'm going to take some pics this afternoon or tomorrow.

POWER ON Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:45 am

LMK if I can help, did a few installs here in Hawaii. As for Outfront, they do first class work and none of that looks like there work. Type 3 is one of the best canidates for Subaru swaps next to the Vanagon. "Old Speed" Russell, good to see your following up on the stuff too. Just about finishing the notch here also. LMK when your coming back to Hawaii, we can take your gang on a all Subaru powered VW cruise.
Thanks

chizucc Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:14 am

Bliss13 wrote: 69SquareGuy wrote: Did you trade your notch for this? Yep. I didn't have the love for, or dedication to the car required to spend the time and money I started to realize it would take.



DAMN DAMN DAMN!!

Bliss13 Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:32 am

chizucc wrote: Bliss13 wrote: 69SquareGuy wrote: Did you trade your notch for this? Yep. I didn't have the love for, or dedication to the car required to spend the time and money I started to realize it would take.



DAMN DAMN DAMN!!
Man, this "abortion" stuff is just more my cup 'o tea. Haha

Bliss13 Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:35 am

POWER ON wrote: LMK if I can help, did a few installs here in Hawaii. As for Outfront, they do first class work and none of that looks like there work. Type 3 is one of the best canidates for Subaru swaps next to the Vanagon. "Old Speed" Russell, good to see your following up on the stuff too. Just about finishing the notch here also. LMK when your coming back to Hawaii, we can take your gang on a all Subaru powered VW cruise.
Thanks
Do you have more pics of this rad installation? Looks really clean. So you relocated the gas filler so you could move the radiator further back. And is there a fan in front?

Bliss13 Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:34 pm

Cooling system:
You'd never think this lurked under the front bumper. Seems like it could use some sorta screen


The spare tire well was removed behind the rad for air flow:


Top view


Fuel pump clamped to the beam. PO says with rad pipes above and below, fuel pump overheats and shuts off on hot days. Need to relocate


I think these should be a lot tighter on the pan


Out back. Notice oil sump was cut and welded shorter:


After looking at the engine configuration, it seems with some intake and alternator mounting mods, I could actually get this thing under the engine lid:

Tramsdisciple Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:10 pm

A sweet looking ride to say the least. The conversion needs to be completed in a professional way for it to be a true reliable driver. Good luck!

vlad01 Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:11 pm

some improvements needed there for sure. what would be cool ( no pun) is to be able to hide the coolant pipes inside the tunnel or heater channels.

Or at least a protector cover that bolts to the pan then at least makes it looks like it was designed to be there.

Mike Fisher Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:15 am

Two radiators mounted behind the louvers on the rear fenders would be ideal.

supaninja Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:03 am

Bliss another thing to keep in mind is most fans work better pulling the air instead of pushing it. I'm sure once you go through that thing and sort the install issues you'll have a sweet little driver.

I'll try to remember to post up a pick of the fuel pump bracket that cast for my pump. It turned out really sweet.

vlad01 Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:11 am

Mike Fisher wrote: Two radiators mounted behind the louvers on the rear fenders would be ideal.

there is no air ramming effect for that to work, unless you put on some massive scoops. you need positive and negative air pressure on opposing sides of the radiator for air to flow.

POWER ON Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:39 am

Bliss13 wrote: POWER ON wrote: LMK if I can help, did a few installs here in Hawaii. As for Outfront, they do first class work and none of that looks like there work. Type 3 is one of the best canidates for Subaru swaps next to the Vanagon. "Old Speed" Russell, good to see your following up on the stuff too. Just about finishing the notch here also. LMK when your coming back to Hawaii, we can take your gang on a all Subaru powered VW cruise.
Thanks
Do you have more pics of this rad installation? Looks really clean. So you relocated the gas filler so you could move the radiator further back. And is there a fan in front?
The filler is pie cut and welded in that position. The fan is dual puller and exits the back where the pan cover was. In front is the condenser for the ac which is blowing cold. I'll take more pics later. As for lines in the tunnel it will create a constant heater from the radiant heat. I tried that in my Thing but had to relocate the lines to under the pan. We had a easier time tucking the lines under the pan as this was a pan off project.


vlad01 Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:24 am

obviously I meant with insulation of a high grade. I don't think anyone would attempt it without insulation on the pipes and additional on the tunnel itself as well would be good idea.

that pan setup looks decent, If it was me I would also fabrication mounting provisions on the pan and then get a sheet metal engineer to make a "factory" looking low profile cover, painted the same as the pan, so when you look at it, it would look like any other car with its chassis reinforcements, covers etc...

I actually have seen covers for a trunk of various lines and cables on some (on many new) cars which also have road splash water drainage cutouts too to alow these covers to let out water and breath.


it would benifit the look and protection of the pipes, also you can then insulate them without seeing it and this would benefit warm up times and should improve temp stability if thats even an issue?

POWER ON Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:14 am

The in tunnel piping in the Thing was insulated with high grade fiber glass insulation along with insulation on the tunnel. It was a great idea as for a clean set up but we could never get it to not feel the heat. I guess here in Hawaii any additional heat feels like alot more than it really is. The under pan set up also really didn't go with us but when layed up nice and tight it looks ok. As you can see the notch pan was in the mock up stage. Everything was than taken apart and painted with por15. Also much as we didn't want to alter above the front bumper with holes for radiator cooling we did to keep the temps stable. Temps were ok until the ac was tuned on. Then it the temps would start to go up. We incorperated a bay window front grill across the top of the front bumper than color matched the grill to make it look not too hidious. VW followers along with us would cringe at the idea but it had to be done, It came out ok too. All along with a Vanagon 090 automatic fabricated in and a STI 2.5 it's a fun ride. Dreams are to take it to the west coast one summer and drive it up and down the coast along with stops at Vegas and Arizona. It cruises 80+ without a problem.

Notched Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:58 pm

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I'm speechless... This should be a "How not to install a Subaru motor" Good luck! Looking forward to pics of your progress!

vlad01 Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:57 am

POWER ON wrote: The in tunnel piping in the Thing was insulated with high grade fiber glass insulation along with insulation on the tunnel. It was a great idea as for a clean set up but we could never get it to not feel the heat. I guess here in Hawaii any additional heat feels like alot more than it really is. The under pan set up also really didn't go with us but when layed up nice and tight it looks ok. As you can see the notch pan was in the mock up stage. Everything was than taken apart and painted with por15. Also much as we didn't want to alter above the front bumper with holes for radiator cooling we did to keep the temps stable. Temps were ok until the ac was tuned on. Then it the temps would start to go up. We incorperated a bay window front grill across the top of the front bumper than color matched the grill to make it look not too hidious. VW followers along with us would cringe at the idea but it had to be done, It came out ok too. All along with a Vanagon 090 automatic fabricated in and a STI 2.5 it's a fun ride. Dreams are to take it to the west coast one summer and drive it up and down the coast along with stops at Vegas and Arizona. It cruises 80+ without a problem.

you only need a small slot ( or holes, grille etc..) at the bottom under the bumper really, key is to have the radiator completely sealed off from front to back and you must have an air dam behind the radiator exhaust, this will make negative pressure at the back of the rad ( as well as under the car) whilst increasing positive pressure at the from. this unbalance makes the air flow in large volumes at even slow speeds.

there are a lot of cars back in the mid 90s with, for example500mm x 150mm slot under the front bumper and no grille keeping a 4L engine cool in the hot Aussie climate.

example. note, the radiator is not even inline with the intake, its actually between he head lights. it works because of the keys points I mentioned. There is a lot of physics to consider when designing a cooling system for a water cooled engine.




And an example of it working effectively.

yes this is STi powered and yes there is a small opening in the front apron. Hard to see though, but thats good right?


Bliss13 Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:03 am

supaninja wrote: Bliss another thing to keep in mind is most fans work better pulling the air instead of pushing it. I'm sure once you go through that thing and sort the install issues you'll have a sweet little driver.

I'll try to remember to post up a pick of the fuel pump bracket that cast for my pump. It turned out really sweet.
Thanks, the fuel pump relocation is one of the 20 things I'll have to do first! haha.

Bliss13 Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:28 am

Notched wrote: :shock:

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I'm speechless... This should be a "How not to install a Subaru motor" Good luck! Looking forward to pics of your progress!
I don't know if I'd go that far. From what I've seen, this set up is fine "conceptually". It ain't pretty, but obviously effective. Almost every single super clean, high dollar swap I have seen over the last 20 years never even hit the street. This car ran reliably for over 2 years. I give the PO credit for getting it done with the skills he had at his disposal

Nate M. Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:45 am

Bliss13 wrote: Notched wrote: :shock:

:shock:

:shock:

:shock:

I'm speechless... This should be a "How not to install a Subaru motor" Good luck! Looking forward to pics of your progress!
I don't know if I'd go that far. From what I've seen, this set up is fine "conceptually". It ain't pretty, but obviously effective. Almost every single super clean, high dollar swap I have seen over the last 20 years never even hit the street. This car ran reliably for over 2 years. I give the PO credit for getting it done with the skills he had at his disposal

It's all fixable (and should be). Just make yourself a list of everything that needs to be fixed/re-engineered etc and do one or two things every Saturday. You'll have that thing done right and back on the road in no time. Time spent pondering and contemplating your plan before diving in, is usually time well spent.

That's one cool project!! That thing has TONS of room for a turbo and water/air intercooler. . . It's the right thing to do and you know it!! :lol:



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