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Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:09 pm

Well since my 1964 Notchback is hopefully heading towards the final stages I thought I would start my build thread. Maybe I should of started this thread 3 years ago when I first bought it but was a little afraid due to having a lot of stupid or better word novice questions. And thanks to the people here on Samba and the Type 3 forum the car is getting closer. I grew up in Orange County (So. Cal) in the late 80's and ealry 90's. I had several bugs and ghia growing up but never got into the type 3's. Well after getting married and having 2 sons (which are now almost fully grown) I turned 40 and got a wild hair and bought myself my 1st type 3. I paid a little to much for it, but it was all together, little rust, no missing parts, aftermarket disk brakes all around, IRS transmission with frame horns. After purchasing I ran the ID numbers and found out that it is a 1964 body on a 1969 pan. Also, there was a type 1 motor in the car. My goal was and is to build the car my way with eventually a Type 1 motor in the car. So the engine compartment was already hacked up. I didn't want to take a stock notch and hack away on it. Maybe its the teenager still in me that wants to have a Notch with an upright motor, who knows, who cares. It could be worse (upright motor in a squareback). And yes I have read all about that its going to overheat. Hopefully I take the right measures and that does not happen. This will not be a daily driver, more of a garage queen / weekend cruiser.

photo of car on day 1

after tearing out the interior I found that the PO did a little more hacking away. Not sure why they cut out the rear shelf and they thought that smearing a sealant of some sort would quiet the interior a little.

so after grinding all of this away and actually an air chisel held at the right angle popped it right off with little or no marks to the car.

so now the entire pan was taken down to bare metal, treated with Ospho, 2 coats of Masterseries Silver and the underside of the pan 2 coats of Masterseris Black. All of the doors, front and rear hoods and all fenders were removed and sandblasted then entire car was coated with 2 coats of Masterseries Silver

Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:43 am

rays-64 wrote: Well since my 1964 Notchback is hopefully heading towards the final stages I thought I would start my build thread. Maybe I should of started this thread 3 years ago when I first bought it but was a little afraid due to having a lot of stupid or better word novice questions. And thanks to the people here on Samba and the Type 3 forum the car is getting closer. I grew up in Orange County (So. Cal) in the late 80's and ealry 90's. I had several bugs and ghia growing up but never got into the type 3's. Well after getting married and having 2 sons (which are now almost fully grown) I turned 40 and got a wild hair and bought myself my 1st type 3. I paid a little to much for it, but it was all together, little rust, no missing parts, aftermarket disk brakes all around, IRS transmission with frame horns. After purchasing I ran the ID numbers and found out that it is a 1964 body on a 1969 pan. Also, there was a type 1 motor in the car. My goal was and is to build the car my way with eventually a Type 1 motor in the car. So the engine compartment was already hacked up. I didn't want to take a stock notch and hack away on it. Maybe its the teenager still in me that wants to have a Notch with an upright motor, who knows, who cares. It could be worse (upright motor in a squareback). And yes I have read all about that its going to overheat. Hopefully I take the right measures and that does not happen. This will not be a daily driver, more of a garage queen / weekend cruiser.

A pair of deck lid stand offs will help with cooling. You'll also want to close off more around the engine, so you're not sucking in hot air, as a beetle or ghia uses the same engine in a "sealed" compartment. I think IF you did those things, you could get that engine to live just fine back there. And judging by the work you've already done, it shouldn't be that hard to finish off those areas.
Nice car, looks like you're making real progress with it. 8)
I actually prefered the original rims you had on it (first pic), but then that's just me. :wink:

P.S. There's nothing that doesn't say you can't convert that engine over to type 3 cooling, and then modify an engine cover panel for the air cleaners. :twisted:

Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:19 pm

some more photos of progress

below photos of dash pad removed and holes all filled in. New Autometer gauges and the 3 blue ones in the center are Dakota Digital along with spaghetti mess of wires.

photos of car in primer and roof cut for the Hollandia ragtop.

Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:40 am

That's a ton of work right there. 8) What is the far left gauge? Just asking as it's got 4 needles on it. Dash looks good all smoothed out like that too. :twisted:
Are you going to use that indent box for your sound system? I think you could get a pair of 10's back there. :wink:
That's going to be a BIG sunroof in that car. :shock:

It also looks good in black (from the what did you do for your type 3 today thread). 8)

Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:51 am

Well that is gonna be quite a hot rod, but that is what we (except Tram) want! I like the Fuchs wheels, but detailed w/black paint is better. :idea:

Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:43 pm

Bobnotch wrote: What is the far left gauge? Just asking as it's got 4 needles on it. Dash looks good all smoothed out like that too. :twisted:
8)

Center is speedometer, to the right of that is the tachometer; the one on the left is a multi-gauge (fuel, amperage, oil pressure, water temperature). I went with the AutoMeter Artic White so I was limited on size on what I could get. Still can't figure out where to hook up the water temperature part. The blue gauges in the lower middle are Dakota Oil Pressure, Oil Temperature and Head Temperature

Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:57 pm

rays-64 wrote: Bobnotch wrote: What is the far left gauge? Just asking as it's got 4 needles on it. Dash looks good all smoothed out like that too. :twisted:
8)

Center is speedometer, to the right of that is the tachometer; the one on the left is a multi-gauge (fuel, amperage, oil pressure, water temperature). I went with the AutoMeter Artic White so I was limited on size on what I could get. Still can't figure out where to hook up the water temperature part. The blue gauges in the lower middle are Dakota Oil Pressure, Oil Temperature and Head Temperature

Yeah, the water temp gauge might be a little out of place on an air cooled car. But the group of gauges should look really good in this car. 8)

Nice job. :twisted:

Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:49 pm

Yeah, really nice work man. I love it!

Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:29 am

wow very nice notch car looks great

Sun May 05, 2013 3:26 pm

new ragtop & headliner installed along with pop-out windows. Windows were a pain in the ass. Finally found some descent tape that would hold the seal back in order to install.

next up, interior

Sun May 05, 2013 4:46 pm

Looks good. I like the color.

Sun May 05, 2013 7:09 pm

The top looks good. Nice contrast in colors, that really makes it pop. 8)

Wed May 15, 2013 11:12 am

That is a very cool Notch you have there. The gauges in the smoothed dash looks awesome. Is nice to see a custom build. I always enjoy seeing what others are doing to give their cars a unique personality. Keep up the great job

Fri May 17, 2013 6:42 pm

thanks for the comments. Installed the 2180 today. 160hp / 152 torque at the crank. I know "type 1 upright in type 3 body problem. I have installed oil temp and head temp gauges to monitor this engine. I have also opened up the engine compartment directly below the rear cowls to bring in fresh air along with blocking off the lower section where the air was originally directly. Hopefully this will help with engine temps. If this does not work I will try ducting under the car directed to the back of the fan. Worse case I will have to sheet metal the engine compartment in.

opened cowl area

Fri May 17, 2013 9:28 pm

Awesome job on your Notch. Look forward to the interior!

Fri May 17, 2013 11:07 pm

very good job indeed! nice paintwork too, well done so far!

was that "sludge" deadening on the pans etc? it's supposed to be good but an ugly mess in my opinion..

Mark.

Sat May 18, 2013 11:12 am

Mark Shutt wrote: very good job indeed! nice paintwork too, well done so far!

was that "sludge" deadening on the pans etc? it's supposed to be good but an ugly mess in my opinion..

Mark.
yea I believe it was some type of deadening. There were small rust spots showing through so I though better safe and remove all. Luckily the pan was in pretty good condition. Some pin holes under the battery section and some rust and holes on the outer rockers. Unfortunaetly we repaired the rockers with new strips of steel plate to repair the holes, found out after that ISP sells new rockers sections.

Mon May 20, 2013 8:24 am

Looking good! :D I surprised you chose to run an upright engine but sounds like you are trying to take care of any cooling problems that may come up. I have heard from some that will have problems and from others saying they don't have any problems. I am interested in knowing how things work out for you. I kind of like the upright engine as there are more parts available for that setup, i.e. serpentine belt drives, turbo kits, carbs, etc. Will keep watching your progress with great interest.

Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:22 am

Update, Progess was slow moving during the summer. To much beer and sitting by the pool (hot temps). Got the interior installed, got the car insured and registered. 3 1/2 years and little over budget :shock: the car is mostly complete. Still need to workout some bugs here and there.

Took my 1st real drive today, head temps stayed good, oil temp got to 225 F. I would be happier with a little lower oil temps. I will continue local road and freeway tests to see where my oil temps go, hopefully not any higher. If needed I will have to enclose engine compartment.

Want to say thanks to all. There is no way I could of started and even complete a job like this without the people here on Samba.

Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:34 pm

=D>

One more saved from the scrap heap. Well done.