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Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:12 pm

Max power 110 kW (150 PS, 148 hp) @ 3600 rpm

Max torque 350 Nm (35.7 kgf·m, 258 lbf·ft) @ 1800-2400 rpm

These #'s are factory

Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:03 pm

148hp, 258lb*ft

http://subdiesel.wordpress.com/boxer-diesel/ee20-engine-info/
Looks like it has a regeneration cycle to purge the DPF. According to Duramax folks this cycle wastes fuel. Eliminating the DPF will necessitate removing this cycle, so that may be part of the tuning. I know Greg offers a DPF eliminator, I have no idea about smallcar's setup.

Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:09 pm

Smallcar's (Specialist Components ECU) does not use DPF

http://www.specialist-components.co.uk/engineering/diesel-engine-management/

Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:31 pm

My hope is to get some specifics on this conversion and owner reviews since as we are all saying...there isn't much. I like that this conversion has a new current production engine, fits under the deck lid, allows Californians to not have to do smog.

Seems to have a lot of plus' with the big negative being cost.

This is my favorite conversion option currently and my bus is engineless :(

Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:21 am

Go for it, kick down for the kit and post your experience.
Having communicated with three Vanagon owners who have the EE20 running and driving....they all made it very clear to me that they have better things to do than post to interweb forums about their van.
This is true for most of the high end conversions.

Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:46 am

Insyncro, are you their gatekeeper or secretary? If these individuals are so into their vans to spend $20k on an engine swap I would figure they would be samba members who enjoy furthering our van community. Excuse me for assuming they are on our level, I guess these individuals are too good for us...

Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:40 pm

'88MoneyPit wrote: Insyncro, are you their gatekeeper or secretary? If these individuals are so into their vans to spend $20k on an engine swap I would figure they would be samba members who enjoy furthering our van community. Excuse me for assuming they are on our level, I guess these individuals are too good for us...

Not everybody wants to participate in an online forum, there is a good chance that the guys who have had this done simply said "Here is a check, when will it be done?" Most of the type of people who come to this site are not like that.

Then.....why would they want to come onto an online site and see a bunch of people working on their vans......they just write a check and use it.

Sure we share photos of where we go, how we build our vans, and speculate about what we can do with them/to them, but not everyone is like that.

The simple fact of the matter is not everyone wants to go online to a VW forum. Even if they did, what can they really tell us? That its nice to drive and get X MPG?

The things that I want to know about the swap I could only find by reading a well documented build thread, spending a good amount of time checking out one that has been swapped, or doing it myself.

Greg has many parts available for the swap, including engines, it's very tempting to me to start buying stuff and use my parts van to mock things up to figure out the rest.

I'm strongly considering the swap in the future, I think I would want to do it with a RJEs bellhousing to use the stock diesel clutch and flywheel, an engine from greg, and all his other conversion parts, that leaves me with a wiring harness and stock ECU to figure out, or use the aftermarket options.

I could adapt a bosch EDC15 ECU for this purpose, and get whatever calibration I wanted in it, but I really don't want to have to build an ECU calibration for this engine when someone else has already done it.

There is lots of money tied up in a DIY swap, and so far we have not seen anyone DIY the swap and post a build thread showing it like we have with so many other swaps out there.

Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:07 pm

Sir sam

Agreed.

Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:08 am

I'm reviving this thread in the hope that we can all help each other out. I just purchased a Syncro Doka with the ee20, sweet! I'm hoping that if others out there have experience they can post part numbers and sources for the regular Maintenance items, like fuel filter, oil filter, serpentine belt, etc. Just starting my research but I thought this would be helpful to anyone who has done this conversion.

Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:01 am

ScottShelley wrote: Syncro Doka with the ee20

congrats!

mreuter has an EE20 in a Syncro, he lives in Oakland, and did his own installation.

He was camped with us at Syncrofest, his Blue Van has the LED headlights

here are some of his posts

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620969

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=623950

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=623812

Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:02 am

He has also been trying to sell the engine since the fall. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1853704

Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am

syncrodoka wrote: trying to sell the engine

true, and that is my fault, I introduced him to Paul, vwhead, of German MotorWerks.

One ride in the 1.8t powered SINKA and Mike, mreuter, was hooked! He seems to "feel the need for speed".

it seems Syncro Diesel Gearing challenges, which creates a gap between 2nd and 3rd, are not a good match for Bay Area hills. 2nd is too low, and 3rd is too high. He has 245x75x16 tires (30.5" diam) and 5.43 ring and pinion, like my Betty.

Im waiting to hear Scott fill in the details of his tires and gearing, but I suspect he will have less of a problem with smaller diameter tires.

Also if Scott does not try to use the Doka as a Daily Driver in the Bay, and instead spends more time offroad, then the Diesel can do what it does best, crawl around in lower gears.

Trying to make a Syncro with Diesel act like an SUV and freeway flyer, is not very fruitful, due to the narrow power band, and limited number of forward gears.

The 1.8t is just the opposite, its wide RPM band allows it to excell on highway, and requires no gearing changes, so gear spacing and acceleration are not an issue.

imho, the TDi is a great offroad motor, and the 1.8t is a fantastic highway motor.

Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:32 am

A 6speed Subagears will fix all the downsides John just pointed out.

Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:02 am

I am a owner of an 82 westfalia with an EE20 done by smallcar
i live in San francisco if you wanna come check it out. i will be at great highway ocean beach at 12-5 if you wanna check it out

Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:54 pm

Sfcwestfalia wrote: I am a owner of an 82 westfalia with an EE20 done by smallcar
i live in San francisco if you wanna come check it out. i will be at great highway ocean beach at 12-5 if you wanna check it out

I just came back from Dillon Beach. I'm in Petaluma, we should definitely compare notes sometime.

Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:42 pm

Its got 215 85 r16 and a taller 3rd and 4th gear. It also has cruise control. I drove it back from Sac and out to the coast today. I actually enjoy the way it drives and I could see how the low end grunt would be great for offroading(which it is set up for). I have taken a ride in Pauls Sinka and that thing hauls ass. If I feel the need for that kind of speed I have and SVX Syncro I can drive. I saw Mikes Van at Syncrofest and thought it was really sweet. I'm stoked and don't plan on commuting with it. I'll be driving it around town and to and from my job sites. It's my new "work truck".

Jon_slider wrote: syncrodoka wrote: trying to sell the engine

true, and that is my fault, I introduced him to Paul, vwhead, of German MotorWerks.

One ride in the 1.8t powered SINKA and Mike, mreuter, was hooked! He seems to "feel the need for speed".

it seems Syncro Diesel Gearing challenges, which creates a gap between 2nd and 3rd, are not a good match for Bay Area hills. 2nd is too low, and 3rd is too high. He has 245x75x16 tires (30.5" diam) and 5.43 ring and pinion, like my Betty.

Im waiting to hear Scott fill in the details of his tires and gearing, but I suspect he will have less of a problem with smaller diameter tires.

Also if Scott does not try to use the Doka as a Daily Driver in the Bay, and instead spends more time offroad, then the Diesel can do what it does best, crawl around in lower gears.

Trying to make a Syncro with Diesel act like an SUV and freeway flyer, is not very fruitful, due to the narrow power band, and limited number of forward gears.

The 1.8t is just the opposite, its wide RPM band allows it to excell on highway, and requires no gearing changes, so gear spacing and acceleration are not an issue.

imho, the TDi is a great offroad motor, and the 1.8t is a fantastic highway motor.

Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:18 pm

Talking about diesel gearing, I'm pretty pleased with mine. 1.14 3rd and 0.74 4th. Yes there is a gap but I only notice it when I'm driving up a hill with a high speed limit and I HAVE to make that shift. So now I just rev it to 4000-4500 rpm and it's much less noticeable. 4.86 r&p and 215/75-15 BFG. When we drove down the coast, it was 4th gear all the way at 55 mph.

Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:32 pm

ScottShelley wrote: Its got 215 85 r16 and a taller 3rd and 4th gear.

gorgeous ride!
the tires are 30.4" diameter

IF it has a 5.43 ring and pinion with 1.08 3rd and .70 4th, (which is what mreuter and I used) here are the speeds produced by those tires and gears at 3000rpm
(you can check by verifying your actual speeds at 3000rpm)

granny 8.08 mph (-19%)
1st 12.90 (-19%)
2nd 23.67 (-19%)
3rd 45.14 (-8%)
4th 69.64 (-2%)

that gearing has an 11% gap to 3rd, and a 6% gap to 4th.. Its the 11% that is challenging, when going 25mph uphill in 2nd its revving a bit high, but shifting into 3rd at that speed it lags at the bottom of the power band.

The overall spread on the gearing, from 2nd to 4th is a total of 17% wider than stock. This is necessary to achieve 70mph @ 3000rpm

hans j wrote: Talking about diesel gearing, I'm pretty pleased with mine. 1.14 3rd and 0.74 4th…. 4.86 r&p and 215/75-15 BFG.

here are the results of your gearing (using the DerekDrew spreadsheet), with 27.8" diameter tires at 3000rpm"

Granny 7.35 (-26%)
1st 11.72 (-26%)
2nd 21.51 (-26%)
3rd 38.87 (-21%)
4th 59.88 (-16%)

looking at the percentages, there is a 5% gap to 3rd and a 5% gap to 4th… both very reasonable

The overall spread on the gearing, from 2nd to 4th is a total of 10% wider than stock. Makes for a great low range gearing setup if a 55mph cruising speed is acceptable.

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comparing those two setups, assuming both at the same 3000rpm, you can see that Hans has the advantage of crawling slower, while mreuter (and maybe Scott) has the advantage of cruising faster on highway.

Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:46 pm

Thats about right. I GPS clocked it on the way home Friday.

Jon_slider wrote: ScottShelley wrote: Its got 215 85 r16 and a taller 3rd and 4th gear.

gorgeous ride!
the tires are 30.4" diameter

IF it has a 5.43 ring and pinion with 1.08 3rd and .70 4th, (which is what mreuter and I used) here are the speeds produced by those tires and gears at 3000rpm
(you can check by verifying your actual speeds at 3000rpm)

granny 8.08 mph (-19%)
1st 12.90 (-19%)
2nd 23.67 (-19%)
3rd 45.14 (-8%)
4th 69.64 (-2%)

that gearing has an 11% gap to 3rd, and a 6% gap to 4th.. Its the 11% that is challenging, when going 25mph uphill in 2nd its revving a bit high, but shifting into 3rd at that speed it lags at the bottom of the power band.

The overall spread on the gearing, from 2nd to 4th is a total of 17% wider than stock. This is necessary to achieve 70mph @ 3000rpm

hans j wrote: Talking about diesel gearing, I'm pretty pleased with mine. 1.14 3rd and 0.74 4th…. 4.86 r&p and 215/75-15 BFG.

here are the results of your gearing (using the DerekDrew spreadsheet), with 27.8" diameter tires at 3000rpm"

Granny 7.35 (-26%)
1st 11.72 (-26%)
2nd 21.51 (-26%)
3rd 38.87 (-21%)
4th 59.88 (-16%)

looking at the percentages, there is a 5% gap to 3rd and a 5% gap to 4th… both very reasonable

The overall spread on the gearing, from 2nd to 4th is a total of 10% wider than stock. Makes for a great low range gearing setup if a 55mph cruising speed is acceptable.

====
comparing those two setups, assuming both at the same 3000rpm, you can see that Hans has the advantage of crawling slower, while mreuter (and maybe Scott) has the advantage of cruising faster on highway.

Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:42 pm

ScottShelley wrote: Thats about right. I GPS clocked it on the way home Friday

sounds like you probably do have a 5.43 and .7 4th.. Great 65mph+ combo imo.

would like to fine tune the 3rd gear verification.

If its a 1.14 it would produce 43mph @3000 rpm. that gearing makes a 6% shift gap to 3rd and moves the 11% gap to 4th instead.

I preferred the 1.08 3rd because it would do 50mph without winding out as much.

Scotts tires are 20% oversize, and the Subaru Tdi motor has more than twice the torque of a waterboxer. Both forces converge at the Ring and Pinion. Hans' tires are 10% oversize, and his motor has less torque than the Subaru iirc.

therefore Scotts gearing puts a higher load on the ring and pinion, and produces more heat, than hans'.

Some of my lessons learned
Driving styles that reduce ring and pinion pressure are,

use the brakes when going downhill, instead of relying only on engine braking, especially in granny, (thanks to Hans and syncrodoka) and

use 3rd at 50mph going uphill at 3300rpm, instead of lugging 4th below 2200 rpm, (even though the EE20 makes plenty of power at low RPM, the tranny is the weak link in the system).

Scott, I hope you post another photo or two
Hans, I love your pics too :-)