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Russpauly Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:56 pm

Can confirm Toyo Open Country AT IIIís 215/70R16 will fit a 2wd tin top on Schwenk springs.






joshtw709 Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:53 pm

hoping to get some advice here. looking into general grabbers and bf goodrich all terrain ko2 tires for my stock suspension 2wd westy with gowesty 15"x7.5" cast wheels.

anyone have experience with general grabber at2 215/75/r15 on a similar setup? they're cheap(ish) compared to the bfgoodrich and available from discount tire in my area right now. leaving town in about a week so hoping to get my tire situation sorted out soon.


cheers,
josh

BreakFreeWesty Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:50 pm

So its time for new tires for me and I'm replacing a set of Conti Vanco2 21565R16 C. Did all my research as its been about 6 years, settled on the Vredestein Quadtrac5 21560r16. They arrived at the house today and...the sidewall on this tire is about as thick as a bicycle tube!!! I can easily deform the sidewall with my hands. Did I get the wrong tire? There is so much discussion about getting tires with C rated sidewalls etc. and I thought after reading many posts here that I was in good shape. But I have zero confidence putting this on my 91' Westy. Also, the reason for replacing the vanco2 isn't tread wear issues, but that I blew through the sidewall on one in the last couple months.

Should I have gotten the COMTRAC? Does anyone else actually have any experience with this tire? Help would be very appreciated.

For reference, 91' westy. Schwenk springs. lifted 2" all around, sitting on 16" CLK wheels.


UPDTE:

DO NOT buy the Vredstein Quaadtrac5 tires for the Vanagon. Confirmed today with the guys from TireRack that these are not safe for Vanagons. I'm going back to the Vanco2 tires. They've been amazing and still have 50% tread after nearly 40K miles. Again, replacing them due to a sidewall blowout which was then followed by a sidewall screw blow out in less than a week.

Hope this is helpful as I've seen a few of y'all talking about those quadtrac's.



Cheers
-Scott

Vantropy Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:15 pm

Hi Scott,
The Quadtrac5 has a load rating of 99XL, which is considered by most Vanagon owners to be an acceptable weight rating for this vehicle. Tire rack has to protect themselves liability-wise and so will only state that you need a light truck tire. Unfortunately, a light truck tire for a 16Ē wheel has to be larger diameter, like the 215/65r16ís of your Vanco2 or a Nokian WRC3 would be. Thatís a big tire for these small engines to push up a hill. If I had a Subaru engine, Iíd do it.
This is of course, a hot debate in the Vanagon world. Just look at how fervently GoWesty defends their Michelin tires (which are also passenger tires with a 95 rating, I believe). A 97 definitely gets you in the safe ballpark and 99 is good. Iíve got 99XL rated tires. VanCafe sells them too. Many many users have put many many miles on high rated passenger tires. Some prefer the softer ride, too. Others prefer the stiffer sidewalls and more precise handling of the light truck tires.

BreakFreeWesty Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:48 pm

Hi Vantropy,

Have you mounted these yet? Are they holding up? Iíd be shocked but, pleasantly surprised if they were. They have a wall thickness and lack of strength that is anything but confidence inducing. Itís really amazing they are super pliable, again feels like a bicycle tire.
Thanks for the response, I got a really good 6-7 years out of my vanco2 tires, so Iíll stick with them for now. Interested to know how these work for ya, keep us updated.

I should also mention Iíve got a 2.5l subie conversion, so no issues with the larger tires.

Cheers
-Scott

Vantropy Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:11 pm

BreakFreeWesty wrote:
Have you mounted these yet? Are they holding up? Iíd be shocked but, pleasantly surprised if they were. They have a wall thickness and lack of strength that is anything but confidence inducing. Itís really amazing they are super pliable, again feels like a bicycle tire.
Thanks for the response, I got a really good 6-7 years out of my vanco2 tires, so Iíll stick with them for now. Interested to know how these work for ya, keep us updated.

I should also mention Iíve got a 2.5l subie conversion, so no issues with the larger tires.


I don't have the Vredestein, I have Nokian WRG3 215/60r16, which I like, but are no longer available. The WRG4 only comes in the larger 215/65r16, which I'm just unwilling to do as my stock 2.1 has a hard enough time on the hills. I wouldn't be surprised if the WRG3 has an equally thin sidewall. Both tires have a max pressure of 51psi. They aren't so flexible when inflated! Short of manufacturers cheating on tire ratings (ahem, Nokian), I wouldn't be too worried about how thin the sidewall is if the rating is adequate (unless you were looking for that stiff cornering of a thicker sidewall). If I had a 2.5 Subie, I'd go with the 215/65's. As it is, I still haven't decided which tire I'm getting to replace the WRG3's, because I first have to solve the problem of what I'm going to do with my spare, which I'd like to have as full-size in an extended clamshell.

tjet Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:38 pm

I just threw on a set of tires & rims temporarily on my newly acquired 85 until I decide what to get for it. The wheels are SA 15x7, rear tires are 255/70r15, fronts are 235/70r15. The little 1.9 can turn those big 29" tires - and no rubbing. The side door also clears.

Food for thought



Russpauly Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:08 pm

tjet wrote: I just through on a set of tires & rims temporarily on my newly acquired 85 until I decide what to get for it. The wheels are SA 15x7, rear tires are 255/70r15, fronts are 235/70r15. The little 1.9 can turn those big 29" tires - and no rubbing. The side door also clears.

Food for thought




Nice 8)

Slimvest Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:13 am

joshtw709 wrote: hoping to get some advice here. looking into general grabbers and bf goodrich all terrain ko2 tires for my stock suspension 2wd westy with gowesty 15"x7.5" cast wheels.

anyone have experience with general grabber at2 215/75/r15 on a similar setup? they're cheap(ish) compared to the bfgoodrich and available from discount tire in my area right now. leaving town in about a week so hoping to get my tire situation sorted out soon.


I had 205-75R15 Grabbers for a while on my van and didn't like them. Too soft in cornering. I'm a Nokian WRC fan.

Nekobasu Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:27 pm

Another tire to consider. I just put these on from Discount Tire. Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail in 215/65R16 on a 2WD Westy with GoWesty ďno liftĒ springs. These are rated 102H so plenty of load capacity. You can see they fit well. Very quiet and corner on pavement well. I am going dispersed camping this week so I will report on their off-road manners when I get back. So far I really like these tires.



nemobuscaptain Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:17 am

Just for sake of currency, here are the load rated 14" tire options available today.

Highway tires (185R14C or 195R14C)
Yokohama Y356 185/195 $121-$128 Japan
Maxxis Bravo UE-168 (LR-D) $106 Taiwan
Hankook RA18 185/195 $75-93 S Korea/China
Thunderer Ranger R101 185/195 $68-78 Thailand
Federal Ecovan ER-01/ER-02 185/195 (LR-D) $83-$95 Taiwan
Nexen Roadian CT8 (LR-D) 80 S Korea/China
Lexani LXCT-104 195 (LR-D) $80 SKorea
Accelera Ultra/Ultra2/Ultra3 185 $69-$78 Indonesia
note Federal and Thunderer claim all season on some sites. both look like highway tires with Thunderer looking slightly more aggressive of the two. Nexen looks like it could probably earn an "AS" rating too.

Post office tire:
Goodyear Wrangler LT195/75R14 LRC $226 Canada?

All Terrain (All LT27/8.50/14)
General Grabber $118 US
Starfire SF 510 $76 US
Kenda Klever AT KR28 $95 Taiwan/Vietnam/China

Mud Terrain (All LT27/8.50/14)
Forceum M/T 08 plus 27x8.50r14 $100 Indonesia
Maxxis Big Horn 119 Taiwan
Kumho MT KL71 105 South Korea
Achilles Desert Hawk X-MT (LR-D) 129 indonesia


prices are tires-easy.com and simpletire.com

B.O.B.Wanders Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:08 pm

I'm currently running the 27x8.5R14 Starfire SF510 LT's on my 83.5 Westy. FWIW, Starfire is owned by Cooper but made in Mexico.

My old 14" BFG's were wearing out so I decided new 15" BFG's and SA steel wheels were what I needed. No real complaints but they just don't "feel" right on my stock suspension. A set of the Starfire's became available from another vehicle (RIP) so I mounted them on my stock steel wheels as a trial and comparison. (For the record I have a 2.2L GW rebuild and T3 Technique's anti-sway bar.)

Call me a heretic. After 1,700 miles I really like the the Starfires so far. I've run on them on the steep and curvy North Georgia mountain roads, rocky forest service roads, and highways with no issues whatsoever. Not as aggressive as the BFG's but still a legit All Terrain tire (IMHO). Haven't tried them in serious mud or snow yet. I doubt they will ever see any real snow anyway.

Negatives
- They are only 95 rated (I know!), but aired up to 48 psi in the rear and 45 in the front it should be pretty close to the OEM 185R14C load at recommended pressures.
- C-rated. I know the sidewalls are not nearly as tough as my old BFG's.
- They pick up stones on gravel roads, but my BFG's did that too.
- Jury is out on tread wear - they had some miles on them already so it may be hard to give a fair assessment.

Pluses:
- My wife likes them better than the big BFG's (ride, handling). [++]
- Great ride and traction even at near max psi.
- Handle surprisingly well in the curves.
- Minimal road noise.
- Gained back a couple of mpg and some power compared to the 15" BFG's.
- Fits in the clam shell (with mods) for a same-size spare and 5 tire rotation.



Ride-Fly Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:42 pm

How are you guys putting some of these tires that have lower Load ratings on your van? Iím finding Costco Tires, Les Schwab, and Discount Tires arenít willing to sell/mount tires that donít have the equal or better Load rating of the OEM tire. So, I canít get a Michelin Defender LTX M/S tire which is a truck tire with a 99 Load Rating! The three I mentioned say the tires need a min LR of 102 or else they canít sell me the tires. Are you finding smaller tire shops that turn a blind eye on this?

For example, the Nokian eNTyre 2.0 was one that I was going to go with, but then Discount Tire said they couldnít do it because it only has a 99 LR. Thatís when I started looking at Light Truck tires, only to run into the same issues.

Befuddled.

Jake de Villiers Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:50 pm

I take in my (MB) rims and tell them its a '99 Mercedes Benz.

B.O.B.Wanders Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:11 pm

The last time I had tires mounted on the van it was BFG's and there were no questions asked.
With these, I took the rims in to Pep Boys to have the tires swapped from my deceased Ranger pick-up rims to the Westy rims. It was a kind of a don't ask don't tell situation. They did put a caveat on the receipt that "the owner assumes responsibility yada, yada..."

These tires obviously don't match the OEM tires head to head. I did the math and, if I understand the basic idea, if you look at the calculated load at the recommended psi on the OEM tires, you can match that with a lesser tire at a higher psi (with all of the baggage that goes with doing that). Yeah, sidewalls are not as strong. Got it.

I've read all the various tire postings and data and decided to do a trial run with these lower rated tires at my own risk. These are C-rated LT tires even if they are "at the margins". Based on observed performance, I am a lot more comfortable now than before. We have a light-ish van - not a lot of accessories and heavy crap all over it so I do take that in to account (although spare parts and recovery gear does add up). If Starfire (Cooper) would make a D rated version of these tires, I would absolutely recommend them as an alternative to the NLA 14" BFG KO's

The 14" General Grabbers that I see widely used are also 95 load rated.

dhaavers Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:33 pm

Find a good small local shop...it'll happen.

8)

- Dave
(...running the aforementioned General Grabber AT2 14"s, installed without question...) :twisted:

Slimvest Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:17 pm

Ride-Fly wrote: How are you guys putting some of these tires that have lower Load ratings on your van? Iím finding Costco Tires, Les Schwab, and Discount Tires arenít willing to sell/mount tires that donít have the equal or better Load rating of the OEM tire. So, I canít get a Michelin Defender LTX M/S tire which is a truck tire with a 99 Load Rating! The three I mentioned say the tires need a min LR of 102 or else they canít sell me the tires. Are you finding smaller tire shops that turn a blind eye on this?

For example, the Nokian eNTyre 2.0 was one that I was going to go with, but then Discount Tire said they couldnít do it because it only has a 99 LR. Thatís when I started looking at Light Truck tires, only to run into the same issues.

Befuddled.

If you're in Portland, try Point S (Nopo) tires for Nokians or Affordable Tire & Brake (SE) for General Grabbers. I've bought from both.

danfromsyr Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:13 pm

cheap price on some federal ecovan commercial D rated 195r14 tires
~$50ea delivered in set of 4
listed as 2017 mfg dates.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-195-R-14-LRD-8-Ply-Federal-Ecovan-Commercial-Tires/143568899075
Quote: Four (4) New 195R14C LRD 8 Ply Federal Ecovan Commercial Tires

These tires are dusty from storage and are exactly as shown in the pictures. These tires have been inspected and do not have any visible cracking or dry rot.

Free Shipping




These tires are new, not blems, and have never been mounted. Please check fitment before you bid, and email with any questions. These tires are 2017 production. If this concerns you at all, please do not purchase these tires. We do not accept returns based on the age of tires. By making a purchase, the buyer agrees to the production year listed in the item description.

1x = 4 tires

Free shipping for 4 tires in the 48 Continental US States Only!

danfromsyr Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:15 pm

also a great price on some 'double King' 195r14
also 2017 mfg dates

https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-LT-195-R-14-LRD-8-Ply-Double-King-DK218-Tires/143568815423

Quote: Four (4) New LT195R14 LRD 8 Ply Double King DK218 Tires

These tires are dusty from storage and are exactly as shown in the pictures. These tires have been inspected and do not have any visible cracking or dry rot.

Free Shipping




These tires are new, not blems, and have never been mounted. Please check fitment before you bid, and email with any questions. These tires are 2017 production. If this concerns you at all, please do not purchase these tires. We do not accept returns based on the age of tires. By making a purchase, the buyer agrees to the production year listed in the item description.

1x = 4 tires

Free shipping for 4 tires in the 48 Continental US States Only!




danfromsyr Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:54 pm

well since some of our spare tires are realllly old.
I ordered 2 of these 195r14s
1 order=2 tires for $89
also a 2017 mfg dates.
2 New 195 R 14 LRD 8 Ply Federal Ecovan Commercial Tires
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-New-195-R-14-LRD-8-Ply-Federal-Ecovan-Commercial-Tires/383485251233

Quote: Two (2) New 195R14C LRD 8 Ply Federal Ecovan Comercial Tires

These tires are dusty from storage and are exactly as shown in the pictures. These tires have been inspected and do not have any visible cracking or dry rot.

Free Shipping




These tires are new, not blems, and have never been mounted. Please check fitment before you bid, and email with any questions. These tires are 2017 production. If this concerns you at all, please do not purchase these tires. We do not accept returns based on the age of tires. By making a purchase, the buyer agrees to the production year listed in the item description.

1x = 2 tires

Free shipping for 2 tires in the 48 Continental US States Only!




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