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Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:42 pm

Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:59 pm

Wow! Lots of great pics and information. Thank you.
Really enjoying the reading.

Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:03 pm

Thank you VERY MUCH.
For your work and some unknown pics.
Inetersting to study.

Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:07 am

Thank you Bob. Some amazing new stuff in there.

Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:50 am

Thanks for sharing!

Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:58 am

The first four pictures of the 1948 prototype have 4 louvers per side on the decklid where as the following have 5 louvers per side. From what I recall those two are different cars?

Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:07 am

Great post Bob, You are my hero.

I am dealing with this issue a long time: The proto type with the licenceplate from North Wurtemberg...
The Hebmuller factory was in an other area... Volkwagen was also in another region and both not in that North Wurtemberger area...
How does it fit the frame? A prototype that is registred in another region does not make sense to me. I think we need to find out if that car is indeed a Hebmuller proto type. Remember the Radclyffe roadster... what happend to it, , it is written that it was wrecked... but what happend to the rest of the car?

what if this "proto" is not a Hebmuller? The first body's from vw to be reshaped in a convertible are only received early 49.... not 48. The design was indeed from 48 . The Vin nrs are known of the first cars. 1 black car, one red car, later in february a fourth body was ordered to make the geneva autoshow car... The third one was put in the construction room to test fit parts. I hope one day we can find out what happend. But this documentation is priceless... Thanks Bob.

Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:37 am

I enjoyed reading your post, Bob. Great stuff.

Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:24 pm

Dear mr. Gilmore,

I like it very much that I never made a study about Hemüllers. You already did!
But me and a few friends are very interested in war convertibles and of course the Karmann history.
Do you have any knowledge about these cars?

Thanks a lot if you would share it with us.

stef vermeulen
Belgium

Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:25 pm

About this pict, I can say it is a non-finished car. :idea: The running boards are not on the car. The horns are flush mounted in the fenders. It is the car that is picts in the garden of Gottfried Schultz.

Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:46 pm

Looks like a round jack support which was changed in 1948 I believe.

Mike

Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:31 pm

peter schepens wrote: About this pict, I can say it is a non-finished car. :idea: The running boards are not on the car. The horns are flush mounted in the fenders. It is the car that is picts in the garden of Gottfried Schultz.

I agree. I got a copy of this photo from Yan in the late 90's - early 2000 with info that it was "the second" proto with five louves per side on the decklid seen in Schultz garden.

Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:54 am

Many Thanks for all the nice compliments and comments about the HEBMÜLLER VW TYPE 14A Photos-Information-Personal Archives.

Thanks Hebster52 for pointing out the air louvers between HEBMÜLLER VW PROTOTYPE 1 (8 louvers) and HEBMÜLLER VW PROTOTYPE 2 (10 louvers) !!

As many times that I looked at those photos . . I did not catch that detail !

Since the majority of these photos were received in 1976 from Paul Hebmüller, I believe that they are all specifically of Hebmüller origin !!

I think that when Hebmüller was tasked by Volkswagenwerks to produce a Cabriolet in 1948, the general lines of the 1946 Radclyffe Roadster
Cabriolet was an influence of the Hebmüller Cabriolet design at that time period so hence the similarity.

Because of this information, I do not think that one of the Hebmüller Prototypes were a salvaged Radclyffe Roadster Cabriolet.

Yes, Peter, after a closer look, I do agree with you that the two guys standing next to the Hebmüller, with the missing running board,
is that of the 1948 HEBMÜLLER VW PROTOTYPE 2 (10 louvers).

Sorry nr 11 . . . my interests were only with the HEBMÜLLER VW Type 14A so I do not collect information on the other Vintage VW Cabriolets.

I have added a couple more photos and updates I found while searching through my archives.

Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:58 am

Hacksaw-BoB wrote:

hardtop coupe, that would be my thing.

Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:27 pm

Quote: Sorry nr 11 . . . my interests were only with the HEBMÜLLER VW Type 14A so I do not collect information on the other Vintage VW Cabriolets.

Thanks anyway. So I can keep searching in that fantastic history of our beloved Volkswagens.
I know that somewhere out there, there must be the knowledge.

stef vermeulen

Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:22 pm

OK nr 11,

I did find this 1948 Karmann Cabriolet Prototype photo in my archives . . .

Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:10 pm

Thanks Bob. This is the one, we call number 2.
The first was the model with the hood like a Landaulet type.
This is a picture of the car.

And then we had number 3. The 2 tone brown, nearly the definitive version.

Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:15 pm

nr 11 wrote: Dear mr. Gilmore,

I like it very much that I never made a study about Hemüllers. You already did!
But me and a few friends are very interested in war convertibles and of course the Karmann history.
Do you have any knowledge about these cars?

Thanks a lot if you would share it with us.

stef vermeulen
Belgium
Here is the working thread on pre- and post-war convertibles, Stef.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=297216&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Edit: I see you've posted in that thread.

Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:38 am

Yes I know Blue Baron, but Bob never spoke with us.
And maybe he could shine some light on the subject.

We came a bit on the end of the line in that topic.
You know this history of convertibles is so fascinating, that I ask everybody who could give us more information.

Not giving up, always searching. :wink:

Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:41 pm

Hi mandraks . . . .

So Hebmüller actually did produce the Hard Top VW Coupe :!: :!: :!: