TheSamba.com :: View topic - Definitive T2 Champagne Edition Information Thread

Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:33 pm

I don't see any problem fitting a Riviera highttop on a westy, I have the full metal roll bar for strength.

Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:51 pm

cdennisg wrote: tonychavalia wrote: Cool find, unfortunately you wont be able to swap a Riviera top with out alot of work. The Riviera company used sunroof transporter buses and converted them where by 74 Westys had their own specified roof opening. It can be done but difficult.

I put a Riviera top off a 78 bus onto my 70. The hole for the RIV is larger than a stock sunroof hole. As I recall, Westy used sunroof buses for awhile, but RIV cut their own hole.
Both of you missed the Riviera Vista part of that :wink:

Aside from the headsplitter bar that'd make one really roomy camper.

Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:55 pm

That is my plan Busdaddy!

Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:19 pm

busdaddy wrote:
Both of you missed the Riviera Vista part of that :wink:

Yes. A very different animal indeed.

Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:26 pm

Here you go. Sorry it took me so long. How do I get all of the decoded M-Plate info. to show up in my post?

Model Type 2 (T2) mod. 221(8) :
- Microbus
- 7 seater (arrangement 2-2-3)
- Sliding door right
- LHD
Chassis number 2272120018
Serial number 120 018
Modelyear 1977
Planned production date
Thursday, 10 March 1977
Number for production planning
(temporary serial number) 7352
Type of engine Type 4 (GD) - 1970cc, 51 kW (70 bhp DIN)
Type of transmission Manual 4-speed gearbox
Paint color
Color upper part : L91Z - Atlas White
Color lower part : L86Z - Agata Brown
Interior color (doorpanels and seats) K2 - *** Unknown ***
Destination USA, San Francisco

M-CODES
M-CODE Description Concerned models From chassis number To chassis number
027 Compliance with exhaust emission standards M 157/M 251 California 211-234, USA - California
2x4 2 032 477
157 Exhaust control system :
- Engine No. B 5 000 000 to B 5 230 000
- Engigne No. AE 0 000 001 to AE 0 529 815 211-274, USA

157 Exhaust control system and activated carbon container for absorbing fuel vapour :
- Engine nr. CB 0062001 - CB 0110000
- Engine nr. CD 0000001 - CD 0011000
- Engine nr. AW 0000001 - AW 0037000 211
221
231

157 Fuel Injection Engine :
- Engine nr. ED 0000001 -- ED 0025000
- Engine nr. GD 0000001 -- GD 0055800
- Engine nr. GE 0007083 --
- Engine nr. GD 0010984 -- GD 0027786
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
- Engine nr. GD 0019172 -- GD 0025723
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 -- 211
221
231

251 With 1.7 liter engine (66 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp) 211-241
271
274
2x3 2 300 000
251 With 1.8 liter engine (66/70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp) 211-274
2x4 2 000 001 2x5 2 300 000
251 With 2.0 liter engine (70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp) 211-274
2x6 2 000 001
246 Windshield free from import-duty for USA (with M089 only) -
560 Steel Sliding Roof 221
231
224
234
D09 Collection of M-codes: M 020/068/089/102/141/161/185/206/235/506/507/511/524 (1973) - 2x3 2 000 001 2x3 2 300 000
020 Speedometer and odometer in Miles 211-274

068 Two front towing hooks 261-268

089 Laminated windscreen (1969-1979) - 2x9 000 001 2x9 2 300 000
102 Rear-window defogger 211-268

141 With heater outlet in rear part of cargo compartment (1968-1972) 221-235
2x8 000 001 2x2 2 300 000
141 With heater outlet under middle bench seat (1973-1979) 221-235
2x3 2 000 001 2x9 2 300 000
161 Seats in cabin with mountings for headrest -
185 Seatbelts for all factory-mounted seats in cabin and in passenger compartment 211-244, USA

206 Inner rear-view mirror, anti-dazzle -
235 Seats in passager compartment with mountings for headrest 221-244
2x4 2 000 001
506 With brake servo and dual circuit brake warning light (LHD) 211-271

507 Vent wings in cab doors 211-235
261-274

511 Padded instrument panel (LHD only) 211-271

524 Sealed beam headlamps, dual circuit brake control, back-up light and side marker reflectors (LHD) without emergency light system 211, USA, Canada
241, USA, Canada
265, USA, Canada
2x9 000 001 2x9 999 999
524 Sealed beam headlamps, dual circuit brake control, back-up light and side marker reflectors (LHD) with buzzer for ignition-starter switch 211, USA, Canada
241, USA, Canada
265, USA, Canada
2x0 2 000 001 2x2 2 000 000
524 Sealed beam headlamps, dual circuit brake control, back-up light and side marker reflectors (LHD) 211, USA, Canada
241, USA, Canada
265, USA, Canada
2x2 2 000 001
D09 Collection of M-codes: M 012/067/102/162/227508/723 (1977) - 2x7 2 000 001 2x7 2 300 000
012 Exhaust emission control installation and speedometer in miles instead of km (with M524 only) -
067 12V 54 Ah battery instead of 45 Ah -
102 Rear-window defogger 211-268

162 Rubber bumper strips 211-268

723 Special sales campaign for 'Champagne Edition 1', paint color Agata Brown (L86Z) whith Atlas White roof, interior cloth in Parchment (beige grey) (1977) 221, USA
2x7 2 118 500 2x7 2 300 000

Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:39 am

thanks Oscar! Those M-Codes for the CE 1 are very cool.

October 1st, 2015: combined list with TonyChavalia's Champagne registry: (43 CE II's Accounted for, total, at this time)

1978
Built 1/78
079468
079444 (W)
079799
081246
082446
082300
082332
083823
084087 (W)

Built 2/78
088675
088475 (W)
088749
089395
091491 (W)
092993
093915
094092 (W)
094323 (R)
096198
097054
098015
099531

Built 3/78
101032 (W)
102230
102237
102329
104188
106439
106452
108971
109025
109325
109672
110789
112242

Built 4/78
113276
113322
115939
116078
116262
116640 (W)
116892
121880

1977
120018 - 3/77
100780
114990
121673 - 3/77
123534
123593 - 3/77

I accidentally copied and added to an old list before, this is the newest version I have.

If you've got a Champagne Edition, or know of a Champagne Edition around, snag it's VIN if you get the chance! I can place it in the production if we get the VIN!

And CE owners, feel free to post all the photos you want of your rides.

And quit with that Riviera shit! :lol: jk it's all good.

Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:58 am

Does anyone else have a California CEI? Do I have the only one on thesamba?

Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:56 am

oscarsnapkin wrote: Does anyone else have a California CEI? Do I have the only one on thesamba?

I had a 1977 CE-1 San Francisco import sunroof model with about 88,000 original miles that, like a complete moron (well, at the time we thought it through, it was the right thing to do. :? ), I sold back to someone in Germany. It was on the Samba classifieds and EBay. Sold for $6,500 after I put a bunch of work into it.

secretsubmariner wrote:
And CE owners, feel free to post all the photos you want of your rides.

:lol: Hopefully, past-tense owner photos qualify!

Yes... I miss it. :roll: Let me know if that is too many pictures... don't want to be a douche!

Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:44 am

Awesome dude! No, not too many pictures. I'd like this thread to be a huge conglomeration of visual aids and technical specs on these special editions, for future searches, future generations, and future owners who need references and information for restoration. It's also fun to see them in action!

My bus is coming along rather slowly at the moment, waiting on engine machine work. Hoping to have all the pieces ready for the rebuild by Halloween.

Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:09 am

I'd like to discover more about the Champagne stripes kit. These buses are all 78's, but not champagnes. Just found it interesting.

Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:53 am

secretsubmariner wrote: I'd like to discover more about the Champagne stripes kit. These buses are all 78's, but not champagnes. Just found it interesting.

I'll bet if a customer really dug the stripes but didn't want the brown a dealer could have the parts department bring in a stripe kit and install it on any bus they liked, whatever it takes to make the sale. Also a few years after CE's were sold the parts department would be clearing out kits for cheap, it'd be an easy way for a dealer or flipper to bling up a used bus and get it off the lot.

Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:56 am

That's awesome BD! Thank you. I bet finding a NOS stripe package would be $$$.

Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:10 am

secretsubmariner wrote: That's awesome BD! Thank you. I bet finding a NOS stripe package would be $$$.
I've seen them now and then, not horribly spendy in most cases, but 38 year old vinyl and adhesive doesn't age well either, most were just a curiosity.

Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:52 am

Yes I can't imagine it would be in very good condition unless it was stored in a cool, dry place for all that time. But even still, if I found a NOS set, I'd be all in and buy it right away. :twisted:

In a thread from 2010, someone mentioned that hazetguy had a set for sale 'a while back'. I have pm'd him. I hope he responds and has a couple photos of this rarity.

If you happen to stumble across any more, BD, I hope you let me know! :wink:

Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:34 am

The value to finding a nos stripe kit would be to use it as a template and then make a reproduction kit. That is the route I did a few years ago when restoring my Sports Bug. Once the vinyl place has the data in the computer, they can make up a set whenever they need to.

Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:47 am

When I bought the inventory (that is now German Supply) there were numerous boxes of NOS stripe kits for Rabbits, Dashers, etc and they were NOT useable.

Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:20 pm

73sports wrote: The value to finding a nos stripe kit would be to use it as a template and then make a reproduction kit. That is the route I did a few years ago when restoring my Sports Bug. Once the vinyl place has the data in the computer, they can make up a set whenever they need to.

Yes, an excellent idea. It would be nice to receive this information from the shop afterward on a usb drive.

Collie wrote: When I bought the inventory (that is now German Supply) there were numerous boxes of NOS stripe kits for Rabbits, Dashers, etc and they were NOT useable.

Nice! You still have any?

I admit, I only want a NOS champagne stripe kit for the novelty of it. :lol:

Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:35 pm

Hi Guys, My wife and I were given a champagne westy that used to belong to her grandfather. I have the regestration but it only shows a serial number not a vin. what numbers am i looking for exactly? build date is 04/78

Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:44 pm

calikota wrote: Hi Guys, My wife and I were given a champagne westy that used to belong to her grandfather. I have the regestration but it only shows a serial number not a vin. what numbers am i looking for exactly? build date is 04/78

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Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:48 pm

calikota wrote: Hi Guys, My wife and I were given a champagne westy that used to belong to her grandfather. I have the regestration but it only shows a serial number not a vin. what numbers am i looking for exactly? build date is 04/78

Thanks for popping in! Your first post, too! nice.

You can find lots of info about your bus from this lil plate:

(it's on the fresh air ducting)

The VIN you can find on the dash up by the windshield.

And please, post some photos to the site when you get a chance, and add them to this thread! (or start your own thread!)

Wilkommen!