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TBuck1971 Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:41 am

All,

I have a 1962 vw bus that has been converted over to 12 volt. I currently have a 4 prong 6 volt emergency flasher relay part # 211953191 which I need to replace with a 12 volt item. The corresponding prong/plug #'s are 86, 30, 87 & 87b. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions on where I might find a 12 volt replacement? Part #? anything??

Thank You!

wrenchnride247 Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:42 pm

http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211953215C

I have one in my '62 SC that I converted to 12v.

Eric&Barb Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:01 pm

Think you just need a single pole single throw relay.

http://www.bcae1.com/relays.htm

Please update us when you get one that works!

EDragnDean Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:23 pm

wrenchnride247 wrote: http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211953215C

I have one in my '62 SC that I converted to 12v.

I used this in my 63

TeamVelvetgreen Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:31 pm

Hi, great info here but does anyone know what flasher/relay one needs to use when converting to 12 volt? I'm asking about the one behind the drivers side kick panel not the one mentioned here that mounts behind the passenger kick panel. I guess it would be the turn signal flasher.

EDragnDean Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:52 pm

TeamVelvetgreen wrote: Hi, great info here but does anyone know what flasher/relay one needs to use when converting to 12 volt? I'm asking about the one behind the drivers side kick panel not the one mentioned here that mounts behind the passenger kick panel. I guess it would be the turn signal flasher.

The answer above is for what you are asking. Looks like we/I missed the question of the original poster, who is asking about the emergency flasher, but was asking for the dimmer relay?

For the dimmer I use the later 311 941 583A - several in the classifieds

For the flasher
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211953215C

Eric&Barb Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:11 pm

TeamVelvetgreen wrote: Hi, great info here but does anyone know what flasher/relay one needs to use when converting to 12 volt? I'm asking about the one behind the drivers side kick panel not the one mentioned here that mounts behind the passenger kick panel. I guess it would be the turn signal flasher.

Both of those relays are in front of the kick panels, as in closer to the front bumper.

Here is a post from the 1958-67 Beetle forum that we found by a Google search of thesamba website for "12 volt flasher relay".

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=529846&view=previous

EDragnDean Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:55 pm

On my 63, this style (pic from the gallery) was in front of the passenger kick panel. (dimmer relay, correct?)



Traditional flasher was just to the left of the fuse box.

Eric&Barb Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:30 pm

EDragnDean wrote: On my 63, this style (pic from the gallery) was in front of the passenger kick panel. (dimmer relay, correct?)



Traditional flasher was just to the left of the fuse box.

Our DEC62 built 1963 SC has one and only one relay in that spot and it is for the E-flashers. No relay for the headlights. Relay you show in that image is probably for fog lights.

EDragnDean Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:41 pm

Eric&Barb wrote: EDragnDean wrote: On my 63, this style (pic from the gallery) was in front of the passenger kick panel. (dimmer relay, correct?)



Traditional flasher was just to the left of the fuse box.

Our DEC62 built 1963 SC has one and only one relay in that spot and it is for the E-flashers. No relay for the headlights. Relay you show in that image is probably for fog lights.

Emergency light relay -- J1 -- J is the flasher relay. Two relays. Emergency flasher is in front of passenger kick panel.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/wiring/bus_63_USA.jpg

Eric&Barb Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:47 pm

EDragnDean wrote:
Emergency light relay -- J1 -- J is the flasher relay. Two relays. Emergency flasher is in front of passenger kick panel.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/wiring/bus_63_USA.jpg

Exactly. One relay for turn signals and one for the E-flasher. None for headlight in 1963.

ToolBox Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:47 am



You can do the same function with 2 standard relays. You need to find a dual make relay which is harder to find and more costly than 2 standard Bosch or Hella relays. terminals 87 and 87b need to be isolated from each other in the NO position so the flashers work correctly when not in Eflash mode (relay closed).

ToolBox Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:53 am

Del City has what you need for $10!

The terminal designations are wrong but the schematic is correct.

Enkiel Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:05 pm

slightly reviving this thread...

The one i need is this ;




but from what you guys are saying, is that the one with 4 "prong" (31, 49, 49a) can be used instead? So i would need one for the turn signal relay and one for the emergency flasher relay?

put-put...whee!! Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:56 am

http://www.parts-express.com/

http://www.parts-express.com/te-connectivity-tyco-...)--330-070
Equiv. Bosch# 0 332 209 150
Parts Express part# 330-070
$4.59

http://www.parts-express.com/12-vdc-waterproof-5-p...t--330-079
Parts Express part# 330-079
$3.97

These are the necessary single pole-dual throw (SPDT) 12V relays for converting the 6V emergency flasher relay in early buses.
I stumbled onto these when I needed a relay for my John Deere lawn tractor.
BTW John Deere dealers will have a similar relay usually in stock if that's an easier avenue for you. This place rocks though.
It's what I used when 12V converting my 1965 Riviera Camper emergency flashers.

Hope this is the info you and some others needed.

Thom

coolerthanelvis Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:20 pm

Enkiel wrote: slightly reviving this thread...

The one i need is this ;




but from what you guys are saying, is that the one with 4 "prong" (31, 49, 49a) can be used instead? So i would need one for the turn signal relay and one for the emergency flasher relay?

No. The one with 31,49, and 49a is a flasher. It takes the 12VDC input and provides a pulsing 12VDC output.

The relay in the diagram is, well, a relay. When power is applied to 86, it flows thru the coil to ground at 85, which causes the switch to change position, in this case the Normally Open switch changes state to Closed, which allows the power input from terminal 30 to flow to both outputs, 87 and 87b.

The stock VW Emergency Flasher Relay (which doesn't flash) takes the pulsing voltage from the turn signal flasher into the 86 terminal and grounds through the metal clip to the bus body. There is no external 85, hence only 4 terminals, and why sometimes wiggling a temperamental relay will cause the clip to dig in a little bit and give a better ground. When this happens, power is sent from 30 to 87 and 87b. As soon as the voltage from the flasher goes away for a second, the relay opens so the lights turn off until power from the turn signal flasher comes back.

Yennek Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:22 pm

A lot of good info in this thread, it got me to figure out what I needed to get my emergency flashers working, but I figured I would pass along what else I have learned.

A good replacement for the emergency relay is the Wells 19927. I picked one up off of Amazon for ~$12. Searching on "19927" on most of the chain autoparts websites were able to find something equivalent. Autozone called it a "Duralast 19927" and NAPA had it as a "Echlin AR289". There are probably a bunch of other equivalents out there as well.

These have the correct 30, 85, 86, 87, and 87b contacts with a 12V coil and 20 amp contacts, and the 87 and 87b are isolated from each other but activate at the same time. The ones listed above from Parts Express appeared to be either changeover relay (top) or just an SPST relay(bottom), both of which would have required two relays to perform the function of the single original relay.

Lastly, if you are looking to figure out a part number for an odd-ball relay, I found this website to be handy: http://www.wellsve.com/custom_searches/ds_relays.php



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