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Thu Apr 24, 2025 11:44 pm

wagen19 wrote: VWdilemma wrote: For Volkswagen to make a no-gapped logo makes no sense. All of these are reproductions. The VW logo was officially patented in 1948. The first appearance of the hood emblem on Beetles was 1949. Why would they make the first ones with letters seamlessly connected after they just patented the gapped logo? Even the owners manuals from 1949 have the gapped emblem sketched into the phantom view diagram. Also this theory about them being “left-overs from past times” doesn’t hold water either. The fist bus was 1950. Where else have this type of emblems been found? What model? Where on the car? So “left-over” from where? When? Everyone thinking they are in possession of an original emblem that is connected has been fooled. And everyone who is making these emblems now are perpetuating the false theory that they were ever connected.

Hello VWdilemma, coming back to your first post.
Imo, it´s the opposite of truth, to claim `the first appearance of the hood emblem on beetles was 1949´.
According to the ´Pidoll-book´1994, the first appearance was 1941, when serial production of the beetle started.
If this is not clear or sure enough, the May 1944 spare book for type 82 and 82 E lists ´Firmenplakette´on front hood with spare number ´11 815 041´.
More over, in the ´Beschreibung...´ of type 82 and 82 E from June 1943, a emblem on frot hood is recognizable, pics 32 and 34 can be seen.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/1943_kubelwagen_ops_manual/1943%20Kubelwagen-Typ-82.pdf

Very kind would be, if you, or VW could name the suppliers, who produced VW hood emblems from 1949 till 9´52, connected and gapped. As all suppliers had to be payed, there should be correspondence. In round figures, the number for all these emblems should be around 150 000.

If there are or were producers and dealer for repro-emblems, please name them and show evidence when they started their business with the ´connected-´VW-logos.

Nice pics also here: https://www.designenlassen.de/blog/bekannte-logos/vw-logo/

Interesting is the story about several different VW-logos pre war and between May 1945 and December 1949 in VW literature. The book ´Volkswagen Käfer´, Borgeson, Shuler, Sloninger´, 1994, ISBN 3-89365-363-5 has also good info.

With many thanks to all people here and reading this, who are willing to respect the ´die 7 Kerngrundsaetze von VW´
https://www.volkswagen-group.com/de/konzerngrundsaetze-15957

...and sometimes you need Don Camillo...
I am distinguishing the VW letter insignia hood emblems from other such hood emblems like the ones in this thread. I had assumed this was understood. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=210118

This covers the bulk of your comment. With regard to this particular sentence, “type 82 and 82 E from June 1943, a emblem on frot hood is recognizable, pics 32 and 34 can be seen.”… If you are referring to the images on p.95 & p.96 then I would say that these are far from recognisable as any type of hood emblem, let alone the VW letter insignia emblem… https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/1943_kubelwagen_ops_manual/1943%20Kubelwagen-Typ-82.pdf

Additionally, the 1946 handbook (p.39) clearly shows no hood emblem. Which doesn’t work for your proposed timeline…
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/1946bug/1946%20Beetle%20Owners%20Manual.pdf

With regard to this section of your comment,

“Very kind would be, if you, or VW could name the suppliers, who produced VW hood emblems from 1949 till 9´52, connected and gapped. As all suppliers had to be payed, there should be correspondence. In round figures, the number for all these emblems should be around 150 000.

If there are or were producers and dealer for repro-emblems, please name them and show evidence when they started their business with the ´connected-´VW-logos.”

Firstly, I am not affiliated with Volkswagen in any way. So the above request for evidence is the kind I should ask of you, if you insist that these are original hood emblems. As it stands from evidence gathered so far, 1949 was the first year that the VW lettering insignia logo appeared on the beetle hood. With regard to third party suppliers back then, I have yet to find any confirmed. Have you? But of course I’m not promoting a theory that posits them to be originals - you are. Personally, I believe they are reproductions. Therefore the onus is on you to prove a theory that is at odds with the official Volkswagen history.

Wed Nov 12, 2025 10:51 am

Ssh

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/splitvertdrawings.php

Wed Nov 12, 2025 11:53 am

This whole thread felt like someone trying to prove there was not a cornucopia on the Fruit of the Loom emblem. But, educational as well as entertaining.

Wed Nov 12, 2025 3:22 pm

RockStock wrote: Ssh

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/splitvertdrawings.php

Excellent! Where did you find this? If you feel like giving me your email address then I will copy you into a follow up email to VW HQ.

Wed Nov 12, 2025 3:23 pm

Pez wrote: This whole thread felt like someone trying to prove there was not a cornucopia on the Fruit of the Loom emblem. But, educational as well as entertaining.

Sshh... https://themandeladilemma.com/

Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:19 pm

Listen here secret squirrel, don’t be holding out on your reporting from the suits at HQ. Share the details with the rest of us!

Thu Nov 13, 2025 2:37 pm

Pez wrote: Listen here secret squirrel, don’t be holding out on your reporting from the suits at HQ. Share the details with the rest of us!
All details are in the book 8) Any updates will be cataloged via my Substack (eventually) https://themandeladilemma.com/

Sat Nov 15, 2025 7:01 am

VWdilemma wrote: Excellent! Where did you find this? If you feel like giving me your email address then I will copy you into a follow up email to VW HQ.
Just a humble recognition, admittance & apology of your wind-up to our lovely TS contributors - or Collective Misrememberers in waffle speak - would be lovely, John

Sat Nov 15, 2025 9:04 am

RockStock wrote: VWdilemma wrote: Excellent! Where did you find this? If you feel like giving me your email address then I will copy you into a follow up email to VW HQ.
Just a humble recognition,admittance & apology of your wind-up to our lovely TS contributors - or Collective Misrememberers in waffle speak - would be lovely, John

exactly! plus you showed the source... =D>

51 quid for the book? nein danke! keep taking the pills :roll:

Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:05 am

finster wrote: RockStock wrote: VWdilemma wrote: Excellent! Where did you find this? If you feel like giving me your email address then I will copy you into a follow up email to VW HQ.
Just a humble recognition,admittance & apology of your wind-up to our lovely TS contributors - or Collective Misrememberers in waffle speak - would be lovely, John

exactly! plus you showed the source... =D>

51 quid for the book? nein danke! keep taking the pills :roll:

Makes a fella want to free source some literature…

Sun Nov 16, 2025 3:02 pm

RockStock wrote: VWdilemma wrote: Excellent! Where did you find this? If you feel like giving me your email address then I will copy you into a follow up email to VW HQ.
Just a humble recognition, admittance & apology of your wind-up to our lovely TS contributors - or Collective Misrememberers in waffle speak - would be lovely, John
I didn’t take anyone here for the type that needs an apology for stress-testing their position. Disappointing. Fyi, an acknowledgment of TS members’ contribution was in fact mentioned with due respect. And despite the collective overuse of boomer humour and weightless insults, it’s been an enjoyable enough exercise from my pov. Please don’t taint it with hurt feelings. Surely that’s not the length of your tip?... To this latest piece of evidence; what do think it’s evidence of exactly? VW mismanagement? Mishap? Miscommunication? Misremembering? Cover up? If any of these seem like a satisfactory answer then good luck to you. But if you actually want to make sense of it then you’ll happily depart with £51. Otherwise you can all keep chasing squirrels and pretend you’ve solved a mystery. But you haven’t. You haven’t established anything meaningful- other than inadvertently strengthen my hypothesis. To which I thank you, but owe you nothing for it, other than what I’ve already given - some much needed pushback against a half baked theory. Half baked because you don’t know half the story. The other half btw doesn’t need your buy-in or your monetary purchase. You grossly misunderstand your own relevance if you think so. You’re being given an opportunity to expand your knowledge and upgrade your thinking. Taking it or leaving it has no impact on me either way. But rest assured, if you take it I won’t go chasing you down for a humble apology. All the best. https://themandeladilemma.com/

Sun Nov 16, 2025 3:54 pm

Blimey. What guff.

Thu Nov 20, 2025 2:47 am

so are these samba forum posts shown in your book? and in what way? you describe it as a scrap book which suggests that you've lifted items and pasted them together.
did you ask Everett if that was ok? did you ask us if that was ok?