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Tram Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:13 pm

In all seriousness bungee v. rope is a fun discussion but damned inconvenient if you suddenly need to shift in traffic.

I'd rather get to the bottom of it and fix it so they don't disappear halfway through the return (Mis)adventure only to resurface on a Honda Fit forum someplace bragging about how great it is to just turn a key and go.

On the other hand maybe I need to sell them one of my early 1970s MB SeeD/A/Ns that D/A/N has been making googly eyes at.

D/A/N Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:38 pm

Rancho said even with a core itíd take 5 weeks. Strictly Foreign in Grants Pass said 6-8 weeks.

I vote that we try Tramís mystery transmission and see whatís what from there.

Oh, we havenít had to use a bungee just yet. It goes back into gear after it pops out.

Tram Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:44 pm

D/A/N wrote: Rancho said even with a core itíd take 5 weeks. Strictly Foreign in Grants Pass said 6-8 weeks.

I vote that we try Tramís mystery transmission and see whatís what from there.

Oh, we havenít had to use a bungee just yet. It goes back into gear after it pops out.

Yay. I'm like a 3 year old on Christmas Eve... :o

D/A/N Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:12 pm

Tram wrote: D/A/N wrote: Rancho said even with a core itíd take 5 weeks. Strictly Foreign in Grants Pass said 6-8 weeks.

I vote that we try Tramís mystery transmission and see whatís what from there.

Oh, we havenít had to use a bungee just yet. It goes back into gear after it pops out.

Yay. I'm like a 3 year old on Christmas Eve... :o

Awesome!!!! Now fill that bitch with gear oil and get your steel-toed sandals on. We'll see you this evening!!!

Tram Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:30 pm

D/A/N wrote: Tram wrote: D/A/N wrote: Rancho said even with a core itíd take 5 weeks. Strictly Foreign in Grants Pass said 6-8 weeks.

I vote that we try Tramís mystery transmission and see whatís what from there.

Oh, we havenít had to use a bungee just yet. It goes back into gear after it pops out.

Yay. I'm like a 3 year old on Christmas Eve... :o

Awesome!!!! Now fill that bitch with gear oil and get your steel-toed sandals on. We'll see you this evening!!!

Bring your own lube. :lol:

tristessa Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:31 pm

Tram wrote: which could be flexing shift guide pin,
While things were a bit soft and bendy in that area, a flexing shift guide pin WILL NOT be a problem on this Bus anymore. You'll see. :twisted: Pictures were taken but not by me, so they may or may not see the light of day...

The pin is visibly worn a bit -- and I think the shift rod itself may also be a bit worn, but it may just be shitty aftermarket parts. After D/A/N and Neena got here this morning and we looked at things, it seemed that the shifter bushing that rides on the pin was worn and sloppy. So we loaded up in Lemony Benz and took a trip to Discount Import Parts for a Bus shifter bushing kit, installing the new one after we got back .. and it's no better. I was half-tempted to make a shim from a Diet Coke can to try and tighten it up, but remembered that that's not my schtick. :lol:

They left to hit the highway about a half hour ago, headed your way. They probably woulda shoulda coulda headed off to Springfield earlier but you know how shit keeps happening. Ask Dan about the idle screw.

Tram Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:07 pm

tristessa wrote: Tram wrote: which could be flexing shift guide pin,
While things were a bit soft and bendy in that area, a flexing shift guide pin WILL NOT be a problem on this Bus anymore. You'll see. :twisted: Pictures were taken but not by me, so they may or may not see the light of day...

The pin is visibly worn a bit -- and I think the shift rod itself may also be a bit worn, but it may just be shitty aftermarket parts. After D/A/N and Neena got here this morning and we looked at things, it seemed that the shifter bushing that rides on the pin was worn and sloppy. So we loaded up in Lemony Benz and took a trip to Discount Import Parts for a Bus shifter bushing kit, installing the new one after we got back .. and it's no better. I was half-tempted to make a shim from a Diet Coke can to try and tighten it up, but remembered that that's not my schtick. :lol:

They left to hit the highway about a half hour ago, headed your way. They probably woulda shoulda coulda headed off to Springfield earlier but you know how shit keeps happening. Ask Dan about the idle screw.

On THIS bus? You don't say. :lol:

Props to you for taking the time to help them out on this. :wink:

neena Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:10 pm

As tristessa reported, that pin is not going anywhere unless someone decides to cut it out! He first strengthened the points where the pin support plate mounts to the frame. That eliminated a good amount of flex in the pin plate, but it still had some, so he fashioned a beautiful support plate - it's gotta be what the VW engineers would have done if they believed the cars would still be driven 50 years later:



It was also heartening to be helped out by a member of the PNW bus crew and all around hospitable guy. He donated most of his day to our cause and was as thoughtful and careful in his approach to the job as I imagine he'd be with his own bus. Shoutout to Xevin for inviting us to the Lucky Labrador meetup (the bus will wear the sticker with pride). It can be lonely to be a bus owner in NYC! So if anyone is "planning" to break down on a road trip, make sure you do it in this area!

Lastly, on our drive towards Springtucky, the bus did pop out of 4th gear once. We were on pins and needles waiting for it to happen...not that it was a relief once it did...However, I'm thinking maybe our luck is about to change since we had an auspicious number turn up on the odometer:


Tram Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:26 pm

neena wrote: As tristessa reported, that pin is not going anywhere unless someone decides to cut it out! He first strengthened the points where the pin support plate mounts to the frame. That eliminated a good amount of flex in the pin plate, but it still had some, so he fashioned a beautiful support plate - it's gotta be what the VW engineers would have done if they believed the cars would still be driven 50 years later:



It was also heartening to be helped out by a member of the PNW bus crew and all around hospitable guy. He donated most of his day to our cause and was as thoughtful and careful in his approach to the job as I imagine he'd be with his own bus. Shoutout to Xevin for inviting us to the Lucky Labrador meetup (the bus will wear the sticker with pride). It can be lonely to be a bus owner in NYC! So if anyone is "planning" to break down on a road trip, make sure you do it in this area!

Lastly, on our drive towards Springtucky, the bus did pop out of 4th gear once. We were on pins and needles waiting for it to happen...not that it was a relief once it did...However, I'm thinking maybe our luck is about to change since we had an auspicious number turn up on the odometer:



Well... it's either a holy Bus now, or it will be after a couple more NYC winters...

Damn. Mercedes over engineering on a VW. I like it! :D

Xevin Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:05 pm

neena wrote:
It was also heartening to be helped out by a member of the PNW bus crew and all around hospitable guy. Shoutout to Xevin for inviting us to the Lucky Labrador meetup (the bus will wear the sticker with pride). It can be lonely to be a bus owner in NYC! So if anyone is "planning" to break down on a road trip, make sure you do it in this area!

Tristessa has a heart of gold. One of my heroes. Pacific Northwest has a bunch of generous ACVW folks. Love it here


tristessa Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:29 pm

Tram wrote: Mercedes over engineering on a VW. I like it! :D
It was that or cable shift, but they didn't have time for the engineering involved. :lol:

Xevin Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:54 pm

Sure is quite in here. Must be all business at Trams today. :-k

D/A/N Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:02 pm

Xevin wrote: Sure is quite in here. Must be all business at Trams today. :-k

Stay tuned!









Abscate Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:11 pm

Get that tape off your doghouse before it gets loose and ends up inthe fan. You wonít like that outcome and wonít gets red light warning until too late

Small weatherseal will lose up the metal gaps, and donít be afraid to massage the sheet metal to better fit.

Tram Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:38 pm

Abscate wrote: Get that tape off your doghouse before it gets loose and ends up inthe fan. You wonít like that outcome and wonít gets red light warning until too late

Small weatherseal will lose up the metal gaps, and donít be afraid to massage the sheet metal to better fit.

That "tape" is fine. It's actually Fatmat and it's not going anyplace.

Tram Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:38 pm

Xevin wrote: Sure is quite in here. Must be all business at Trams today. :-k

Quite what? Quiet?

D/A/N Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:26 am

It looks like we just might have a winner with the new trans which is also the old trans as dealt with here:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0

Shifting is smoother and easier. The throwout bearing on the trans we pulled was rusty (of all things) and moved with a bit of grittiness on the collar. The rear coupler had some slop in it and that was addressed too. On the down side (and the reason I say we might have a winner) is that Jessica says the new trans popped out of first gear twice. I didn't drive it so I'll leave it for her to describe.

The other issue is that our idle is now at 1300 rpm on account of the vac advance sucking. Throttle plate isn't hanging open. Pull the vac line and it drops down to 850. Gotta figure that out too. There's always something.......

I mean, we were supposed to camp but that fell through when I realized "I can't fucking camp, I stink like gear oil."

neena Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:38 am

D/A/N wrote: On the down side (and the reason I say we might have a winner) is that Jessica says the new trans popped out of first gear twice. I didn't drive it so I'll leave it for her to describe.

Yeah, so...once on my solo test drive, I put the bus in gear in anticipation of the green light and it popped into neutral. The light changed, I put it back in gear, and all was well. Same thing happened with D/A/N as a passenger...

How could it be that it didn't shift all the way into 1st twice? Popping out of 1st isn't really a "thing", is it? Last year, we put maybe 1,000 miles on this transmission and that was never an issue. First gear doesn't just go funky while a transmission is sitting on a garage floor, now does it? Given a choice, I'd rather it pop out of 1st than 4th, but does anyone have any idea what could cause this? More road testing will happen tomorrow when we've slept some.

[email protected] Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:30 am

popping out of gear can be caused by a few things, mainly synchro/gear wear or damage and main shaft "racking"

if the input shaft has ANY detectable IN/OUT movement then the main shaft racks, pulling the gear stack with it. the input shaft WILL have some up/down movement due to it's 2 piece design. there should be ZERO detectable movement in and out

the in/ out is caused by the bearing getting pounded into the nose cone, and/or the main pinion bearing sinking into the case....and possibly be loose (and depending, a loose main bearing will not always make any noise either)

I always check this before I buy/install a used trans. if there is any in/out the trans can pop out of gear. think of it this way....

the shift forks stay put, but the gear set is moving in and out, effectively "shifting" the gears for you. for a visual, put a straw into a lid. the lid is your shift fork. the straw is your main shaft. move the straw in and out. as the lid stays put, you will see what I mean.

busdaddy Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:20 am

D/A/N wrote: The other issue is that our idle is now at 1300 rpm on account of the vac advance sucking. Throttle plate isn't hanging open. Pull the vac line and it drops down to 850. Gotta figure that out too. There's always something.......
That's usually a sign of the throttle plate being slightly open, tight cable?, positioner misadjusted or hanging up?, too many turns on the stop screw?, Brazilian or Chinese carb?



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