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Wed May 05, 2004 11:05 am

wow...done dozens upon dozens of rust repair jobs on beetles over the years...cant count the number of pans and heat channels...always had decent luck with veng and IGP....well cant find that stuff anymore ...all i have been finding is DENMARK....oh well its close to Germany must be good right...??

IT IS ABSOLUTE SHIT...avoid it at any costs...I recently did the entire bottom 12 inches of a rotted away `64 beetle....it was double the regular labor to modify this garbage to just be able to fit...I can give FULL DETAILS of the problems upon request...it is mind boggling...

You say Denmark...hmmm close to Germany...so must be good quality...WRONG its absolute shit...now i know why you never see cars...planes...medical equipment stamped MADE IN DENMARK

Give me back the IGP stuff was not NOS by any means but the stuff at least FIT

Wed May 05, 2004 11:27 am

sorry to hear about your luck...bad metal sucks!

Wed May 05, 2004 8:15 pm

Mahalo for the info, I better let a buddy of mine know that its junk.

Thu May 06, 2004 4:55 am

Geeze. I just did outer rockers and lower front patch panels with the denmark parts and thought they were good stuff, nice and thick. I'm pleased with the results.

Thu May 06, 2004 2:00 pm

BastardBus is right, the metal repair parts that are being sold at all these VW parts stores come pretty much from the same suplier in Denmark and are total pieces of shit, you have to spend tons of time modifying and cutting in order to get this crap to fit. I am restoring a 66 vet right now and I have had to replace the bottom 10 inches of this car along with tons of other parts and the replacement parts that I have bought from CIP1, Rocky Mountain motor works, WW etc have been total shit, lucky I had a 65 sedan donor car that I was able to take some parts from and modify. If you can, stay away from replacement panels, sometimes it is better to find a donor car and fix, patch the donor parts. WW is the least bad of all these places that sell rust repair parts.

Thu May 06, 2004 3:03 pm

Tried this place yet?

http://www.oeveedub.com/bssm.html

I have had my share of ill fitting sheetmetal in the past as well, and some wrangling with the replacement panels is to be expected.

I have had pretty good luck with the red primered "dansk" parts recently though. Is that the brand your reffering too?

Thu May 06, 2004 7:46 pm

Hey k-net

no this brand was not dansk had that stuff before and was pretty good stuff...this was Kolben or Wollensomething or other very very long name... i saved the tag so i can make sure not to buy this stuff. The `64s owner bought all the panels at show last year...all were same manufacture...denmark and this KOLBEN or WOLBEN SOMETHING or other...will post it soon

couple probs
-front apron sides; bumper mount pieces pass side perfect driver side was almost 1 inch too high and angle was off 15 degrees obvious by eye and checked with a dial protractor, then the fender bolt holes and nuts were inch or two off...on BOTH panels...and had to be moved driver side was 2 inches too wide also...how that was done i will never know...had to slice it in 2 and remove a section...
-inner apron lower panel...was 2 inches too short ...would not meet with the outter original...we bought a VENG one from old stock at shop and fit perfect
-heater channels at the defroster tube area both had to be cut and steel removed and proper curve installed...was a sharp corner due to poor stampings...we had sections of originals to compare and they were WAYYYYY off...they would not even come close to fitting in the vehicle.
the channels would not even bolt directly to the ORIGINAL vw pans without clearance at inner edges with cutting wheel yes there is more...passenger side rear of the channel was spotted welded to bottom plate at to wide an angle and thus had to remove spot welds and properly mount that side....the pass side channel when placed on a flat panel or straight edge the front of the channel was twisted and raised...driver side was not....also on both channels the front 3 bolt holes would not line up with the original floor pan holes...
-rear side apron repairs....these acyually where best ones...mounts straight though completely lacked the roll at bottom egde of panels
-there is more....but enough examples i think

I mean have done metal work for years on all kinds of vehicles...and you ALWAYS have to tweak panels....that is true but the utter disregard for any quality control of these items is beyond my belief...i have just scratched the surface too...there is MUCH more.....i just want folks out there to educate themselves and be cautious when buying this stuff...I will have the actual spelling of the brand soon to let folks know...

Thu May 06, 2004 8:56 pm

Quote: but the utter disregard for any quality control of these items is beyond my belief...i have just scratched the surface too...there is MUCH more.....i just want folks out there to educate themselves and be cautious when buying this stuff...I will have the actual spelling of the brand soon to let folks know...

I think you hit the nail on the head there.

Yeah , please post the brand name, sounds like some lame shit.

I am used to, as you said, a certain amount of tweaking when dealing with after market replacement panels, but man... sounds like you got some of the worst of the worst! :evil:
I'd be pissed too!

That is the trouble with mail ordering panels, you have no recourse ( well you could spend the shipping and time to send it back, wait and get the same shit the second time! :roll: )

My advice to anyone needing replacement metal... listen to bastardbus and his words of wisdom and...

Try oeveedub, or find a good steady supplier, or a local ( if possible) shop that stocks some of the pieces so you can see them first. It may cost a bit more but could save alot of time and aggravation!

Thu May 06, 2004 9:18 pm

These parts weren't manufactured by Klokkerholm, were they? 'Cause I just bought some of their stuff.

Fri May 07, 2004 11:11 pm

YESSS That BE the name edal.....check the shit REAL good before using it you will prob find probs too....dont fear the stuff CAN be used but I hope you do your own work...as the labor rate to make this stuff right at a shop would KILL u...

Yes sucks buying stuff sight unseen...this person bought the stuff via mail and well as keifer says..return shipping is just not worth it you will get the same darn stuff...there was 1-2 panels that went somewhat ok...but i would check through stuff when buying it in person....check and compare 2 aline panels...and if you see probs avoid it....

From what i see a lot of sheet metal companies are disapearing...the IGP and Dansk which was pretty good stuff....the itailian stuff seemed fair too...and the bus stuff that W WEST sold while back that seemed to be from brazil or VW brazil-mexico was GREAT...but i just dont see that stuff around much more...i hope this Kolbenwollen is not the ONLY thing around anymore...

Gee i am gonna start saving any original beetle steel that is good from now on...its gonna be gold...

Tue May 18, 2004 1:02 pm

edal72 wrote: These parts weren't manufactured by Klokkerholm, were they? 'Cause I just bought some of their stuff.
Klokkerholm bought the Veng tooling and inventory a while back. They are one and the same.

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:20 am

ratwell wrote: edal72 wrote: These parts weren't manufactured by Klokkerholm, were they? 'Cause I just bought some of their stuff.
Klokkerholm bought the Veng tooling and inventory a while back. They are one and the same. The plot thickens :shock:

Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:52 pm

bastardbus wrote: i hope this Kolbenwollen is not the ONLY thing around anymore...

so which is it? Klokkenholm or Kolbenwollen?

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:21 pm

steponmebbbboom wrote: bastardbus wrote: i hope this Kolbenwollen is not the ONLY thing around anymore...

so which is it? Klokkenholm or Kolbenwollen?
:?: Does anybody know the answer?

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:58 pm

it's klockerholm although my spelling may be wrong.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:17 am

It's Klockkenholm, I googled it and that came up. It's hard to believe they would make stamping dies to make parts that don't fit. My father was a wood model maker at Fisher Body. They made all the sheet metal for GM. He had to hold a .010" tolerance on the wood model, so it would fit. Having something 2 inches off is just ridiculous. They must be selling one part and expect you to trim it to make it fit. Too expensive to make dies for each part.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:39 am

Has anyone tried these Gerson parts? Quoting the following from the 1st website

www.metwiz.com

I have offically stopped making stock bus parts. I'm now selling Gerson's Funky green parts (aka Klassicfab.com.) I shoould have my first stocking order in a few weeks. I'll be handling sales for east of the Missippi, Ronnie (Splitpile) of AZ will be doing West of the Missippi. His website is www.type2parts.com

Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:24 am

Gerson wrote: BastardBus is right, the metal repair parts that are being sold at all these VW parts stores come pretty much from the same suplier in Denmark and are total pieces of shit, you have to spend tons of time modifying and cutting in order to get this crap to fit. I am restoring a 66 vet right now and I have had to replace the bottom 10 inches of this car along with tons of other parts and the replacement parts that I have bought from CIP1, Rocky Mountain motor works, WW etc have been total shit, lucky I had a 65 sedan donor car that I was able to take some parts from and modify. If you can, stay away from replacement panels, sometimes it is better to find a donor car and fix, patch the donor parts. WW is the least bad of all these places that sell rust repair parts.

Cmon dude .Lets have some bug parts....PLEASE!!!!!!

Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:43 am

They were bus panels but a lot of the ruddy-colored (packing primer) panels made in Brazil that I have bought over the last nine years have been total shit: W.W.s right side outer rockers were too short and the arch of the panel was too flat, their "ten inch high" right corner panel was grinning (ten inches high on sides down to six inches in the middle) and both of their right outer cargo floor sections were off three-eights of an inch from where the two bars at the bottom of the cargo doors fit in the holes. Both lower panels that fit behind the right rocker were almost one-half of an inch too short and all three front floor outer sections were way off. C.I.P only had three of the four cargo floor halves (black) that I needed so I bought a ruddy-colored one somewhere else: the sheet metal was thinner. This is the stuff coming out of Brazil.
What I don't get is why some of these panels are being made, knowing that they won't fit, and why are they being sold at companies when they must no that they won't fit?
I was getting tired of sending panels back after returning a set of made-in-Brazil bus dog legs that were way off and advertised for 1955 to 1967 buses, even though pre-1963 bus dog legs have the deeper arch at the top. I would at least like to be warned about panels that don't fit so I could make a decision. Is that too much to ask?
Klassicfab is now supposed to have good bus panels, so we can be greatful for that.

Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:55 am

Has anyone have any experiances with Dansk heater channels from CIP1 ?

I am considering buying a pair of these , I read the previous posts on this and was scared off buying the other denmark made ones .
Thanks bastardbus :D
I would like to deal with cip1 because they are close by , and a friend drives through the area once a month , which can save 50 buck of shipping .
Were they and good ?
What kinds of problems did you run into ?
Did the pan bolts line up ?
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=TAB%2D400%2D431