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Cusser Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:29 pm

Interesting history of screws. I like Robertson square drive screws myself.

calvinater Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:06 pm

Damn , i thought this thread would be more vivid.

djkeev Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:58 pm

I was a fan if Torx and then they went and made Torx Plus muddying the waters, not so much a fan now.

Triple squares are still fine though!

Dave

outcaststudios Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:31 pm

i loathe JIS screws.

67_13Deluxe Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:47 pm

Definitely not what I thought when I clicked on this thread.

oprn Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:02 pm

Got your attention didn't he?!

finster Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:18 am

very interesting. I knew about the robertson square drive screws but the article I read said that ford favoured phillips screws so they were awarded the contract. whereas this guy says robertson wouldn't agree to the deal...
people believe the products around them are the best they can get but usually it's down to marketing, patent control etc. I'm sure the robertson square drive would be less prone to 'coning out' like stubborn phillips do.

Cusser Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:57 pm

finster wrote: the article I read said that ford favoured phillips screws so they were awarded the contract. whereas this guy says robertson wouldn't agree to the deal...

Don't know; I'd always been under the impression that Ford felt Robertson square drive was technically better, but was cheaper for Ford to go with Phillips. Too bad.

I've been using Robertson square drive as "theft-deterrent" screws for a couple of decades for stuff like stereo installations and tailgate hinges for a couple of decades.So if you try to steal something of mine you have to deal with those. And this:

cdennisg Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:35 pm

djkeev wrote: I was a fan if Torx and then they went and made Torx Plus muddying the waters, not so much a fan now.

Triple squares are still fine though!

Dave

In the construction world, Torx has become King. I love them for decks and such.

Will never use Phillips (except for drywall) or Robertson again unless I absolutely have no choice.

bluebus86 Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:48 pm

Cusser wrote: Interesting history of screws. I like Robertson square drive screws myself.


I watched that video a couple weeks ago, the History Guy makes an excellent series of videos, watch them all!

VW_Jimbo Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:55 pm

cdennisg wrote: djkeev wrote: I was a fan if Torx and then they went and made Torx Plus muddying the waters, not so much a fan now.

Triple squares are still fine though!

Dave

In the construction world, Torx has become King. I love them for decks and such.

Will never use Phillips (except for drywall) or Robertson again unless I absolutely have no choice.

And they come in different colors of brown and grey!

cdennisg Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:11 pm

VW_Jimbo wrote: cdennisg wrote: djkeev wrote: I was a fan if Torx and then they went and made Torx Plus muddying the waters, not so much a fan now.

Triple squares are still fine though!

Dave

In the construction world, Torx has become King. I love them for decks and such.

Will never use Phillips (except for drywall) or Robertson again unless I absolutely have no choice.

And they come in different colors of brown and grey!

Just like the vast acres of tract housing spreading across this great land.

bluebus86 Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:03 am

Cusser wrote: finster wrote: the article I read said that ford favoured phillips screws so they were awarded the contract. whereas this guy says robertson wouldn't agree to the deal...

Don't know; I'd always been under the impression that Ford felt Robertson square drive was technically better, but was cheaper for Ford to go with Phillips. Too bad.

I've been using Robertson square drive as "theft-deterrent" screws for a couple of decades for stuff like stereo installations and tailgate hinges for a couple of decades.So if you try to steal something of mine you have to deal with those. And this:


I am surprised how short your gun is. But I suppose its how you use it!

hopkin Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:49 am

Robertson screws are very common, if not the most common screw used in Canada, most everyone keeps a black, red, green and yellow (handled) screwdrivers in their toolboxes. Red and green the most common. The colour represents the size.

When working on a job, it is usual to here someone ask for a Red (or whatever colour). "Hand me a Red!"

The Robertson screws are usually used for wood or electric work.

gt1953 Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:58 am

Back in the day when I was employed by the school district we used the square drive. The high schoolers could not steel anything.
Torx does work great in the construction field.
What is a Torx Plus??? Could it be what IBM used on the early PC cases?

mark tucker Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:32 am

cdennisg wrote: VW_Jimbo wrote: cdennisg wrote: djkeev wrote: I was a fan if Torx and then they went and made Torx Plus muddying the waters, not so much a fan now.

Triple squares are still fine though!

Dave

In the construction world, Torx has become King. I love them for decks and such.

Will never use Phillips (except for drywall) or Robertson again unless I absolutely have no choice.

And they come in different colors of brown and grey!

Just like the vast acres of tract housing spreading across this great land. black and white, gold kinda like the rianbow Im told....Ive probably bought over $500 of them agreavating griprite torx screws this year alone... about 5% dont fit the torx bits and the torx bits they supply are usualy shit... and now they have new screws that have thread rippers on them so you can screw 40% longer!!!! befor your battery is wore out!! but it cums at a cost..there are no threads left in the boards so they will not pull togeather tight and will pull appart eazely....so.....what is the reason for screwing them>????? fucking morons. yes I do a lot of screwing. hear and abroad :shock: :wink: :roll: boy cot grip right screws!!!! get on thier site and mf them till that make good screws again!!!!!

Zundfolge1432 Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:55 am

Cusser wrote: Interesting history of screws. I like Robertson square drive screws myself.


Mr. Bow tie is cute but he doesn’t have all the facts straight. To begin with Phillips is a trade name like Chanel when referring to slip joint pliers. Crescent when referring to adjustable wrench. There are other examples as well but the trade names refer to who holds the patent. In his brief discussion example G has a three wing or so called tri wing design and was widely used in aircraft manufacturing. We hated these and replaced with cross tip fasteners which is the correct nomenclature for what civilians would call Phillips.

Most will never see it but Boeing,Douglas,Lockheed,Airbus uses thousands of screws requiring mechanics to become well versed in working with these little gems. The problem of camming out can be greatly reduced by dipping the screwdriver tip into fine valve grinding compound, it works. We wore carpenter aprons full of screws using air operated screwdrivers till they got too hot to handle. :D

raygreenwood Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:26 am

Torx Plus.....is a Torx screw that has a cavity that is somewhere between an allen and a Torx screw.....and no....its not so you can use either driver.....and no its not "muddying" the water.

The torx plus can stand a shit ton more force before stripping or cam-out.....compared to the regular torx. In smaller screws say below 8mm....Im not 100% sold that the amount of leverage/torque improvement is that noticable......but on large bolts......its a BIG difference.

The bolts that hold the front and rear wheel bearing housings onto warercooled VW from at least the middle of Mk6 forward are a Torx plus variant. They have gotten rid of the triple spline.
Ray

Cusser Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:50 am

cdennisg wrote: In the construction world, Torx has become King. I love them for decks and such.
DeckMate screws changed to Torx from a combination Robertson-Phillips type bit a few years ago. I like the Torx ones better.

finster Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:44 pm

I've never, ever seen robertson screws this side of the pond, glad to hear they're still around.



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