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Tram Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:31 pm

Here's a shout out to the Sambanistas down there in the path of destruction... please take care and stay safe. Shit's getting real again, unfortunately. :cry:

74 Thing Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:02 am

I have a soft spot for people who lose everything in a fire since I lost everything in the Oakland Hills fire in 91, then again I was displaced due to an apartment fire years later.

Devastating fires like these had been few and far in between, but now they seem to occur annually. Three years in a row now with lives lost, property lost, and health issues with the thick smoke and ash in the air lasting for months. It is devastating and heartbreaking at the same time.

Some advice-make sure you have a portable file holder with your essentials so you can grab it and get out if you ever find yourself in this type of situation. You do not want to be stuck in car traffic with flames all around because of being ill prepared.

grandpa red Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:29 am

Here in Hollister surrounded by fires.
For the last 6 day's with temps in the 90's/low 100's the sky has had an Apocalypse look.
The sun glows orange with ash falling.

Letterman7 Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:17 am

My brother and his family were evacuated from Ben Lomand late Tueday night. They're staying at a friend's guest house in Scotts Valley - but the evac line has already moved halfway into that town, too. Dunno where they will go if they have to evac from there as well.

qwerty Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:06 am

Sad times

Pez Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:44 am

So stories heard from states away general revolves around CA's unwillingness to do controlled burns are the reason for the fires getting out of hand over the past few years. Any locals have any input in this?

Prayers for those effected by this round of fires though! Stay safe!

74 Thing Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:18 pm

I think that is a unfounded theory and a lot of the cause is due to building further and further out due to population and affordability reasons and now when there is a fire in a remote location it can wipe out entire communities.

Plus look at highly dense areas like the Santa Cruz mountains that are ablaze when trees/forests that size get lit up there is little you can do.

[email protected] Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:57 pm

Pez wrote: So stories heard from states away general revolves around CA's unwillingness to do controlled burns are the reason for the fires getting out of hand over the past few years. Any locals have any input in this?

Prayers for those effected by this round of fires though! Stay safe!

I have heard the same from folks how live in CA.

what I don't understand is why they don't do the burns and also why they don't have fire access trails thru some of the woods with a drilled well so they can hook pump trucks to them.

I understand the terrain can get ugly but there has to be a better way to mitigate some of the risk.

scary shit. i'll stick with the hurricanes and blizzards. I just watched a show on hawaii fissure eruptions. that is crazy shit too.

if anyone needs something i'd be happy to help

Tram Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:03 pm

Pez wrote: So stories heard from states away general revolves around CA's unwillingness to do controlled burns are the reason for the fires getting out of hand over the past few years. Any locals have any input in this?

Prayers for those effected by this round of fires though! Stay safe!

The first part of the problem is unkempt federal lands, from what I understand. The feds own just under 50% of the total land in California, and the state of California owns and controls just 3% of its forested land- the Feds own 57% of forested land in California, and the rest is private land. The state would not be authorized to go in and do controlled burns there. It's like living in a duplex where your neighbor's kid plays with matches. Good luck protecting your half of the building if their half goes up, no matter HOW clean and clutter- free you keep your house and yard.

The second part is drought. How do you "control" a burn in a tinderbox?

obus Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:29 pm

I hope this ends for those folks soon. So sad. I wish someone could come up with an inexpensive way to control this. i'm sure its not cheap or easy or it would have been done already.

Tram Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:32 pm

obus wrote: I hope this ends for those folks soon. So sad. I wish someone could come up with an inexpensive way to control this. i'm sure its not cheap or easy or it would have been done already.

Exactly. The cost in lives, property, and environmental damage is just crazy, not to mention emotional damage.

Pez Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:29 pm

[email protected] wrote: Pez wrote: So stories heard from states away general revolves around CA's unwillingness to do controlled burns are the reason for the fires getting out of hand over the past few years. Any locals have any input in this?

Prayers for those effected by this round of fires though! Stay safe!

I have heard the same from folks how live in CA.

what I don't understand is why they don't do the burns and also why they don't have fire access trails thru some of the woods with a drilled well so they can hook pump trucks to them.

I understand the terrain can get ugly but there has to be a better way to mitigate some of the risk.

scary shit. i'll stick with the hurricanes and blizzards. I just watched a show on hawaii fissure eruptions. that is crazy shit too.

if anyone needs something i'd be happy to help

Part of the stories I've heard is they are reluctant to do any such thing because of the possible environmental impact, particular on native species of wild life. Which from my perspective seems like you would actually being doing the wild life a disservice by not doing control burns.


Tram wrote: Pez wrote: So stories heard from states away general revolves around CA's unwillingness to do controlled burns are the reason for the fires getting out of hand over the past few years. Any locals have any input in this?

Prayers for those effected by this round of fires though! Stay safe!

The first part of the problem is unkempt federal lands, from what I understand. The feds own just under 50% of the total land in California, and the state of California owns and controls just 3% of its forested land- the Feds own 57% of forested land in California, and the rest is private land. The state would not be authorized to go in and do controlled burns there. It's like living in a duplex where your neighbor's kid plays with matches. Good luck protecting your half of the building if their half goes up, no matter HOW clean and clutter- free you keep your house and yard.

The second part is drought. How do you "control" a burn in a tinderbox?

Never knew the federal government owned such a vast amount of land. One would think if the Fed could not maintain their side of the duplex they would work with the State government to make sure more is cared for. But that may delve into some bureaucratic black hole.

And I get that, how do you burn only one match while it's still in the box? Uneducated arm chair firefighter me would assume time, a plethora of forest services roads as fire breaks and small heavily manned fires to burn off under brush or old fallen timber. Even then it'd be a dangerous game!

Jacks Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:55 am

Well, over 11,000 lightning strikes during a 3 day period might have something to do with it.

Abscate Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:20 am

Itís so human to move into a desert and then complain itís too hot. Likewise to build in tinderbox and then complain about fires. Likewise to build on ocean front and then complain about hurricane floods. Likewise to move to NYC and just complain

kpf Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:56 am

I have heard from a couple of people involved in the aviation business that California has greatly reduced its spending on water-bomber type services.

Jon Schmid Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:54 am

Already 4X + the burn acreage as all of last year and the season has barely started. As Jack mentioned, the lightning strikes have been brutal. I can't wait for the Santa Ana winds to inevitably kick up in a bit here in SoCal. :( P.S.: Regarding Santa Cruz, my daughter went to UCSC. Beautiful campus in the middle of the woods. I hope it (and the rest of CA) stays safe.

KTPhil Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:14 pm

1,000,000 acres so far, really terrible. And this is without the "santana" winds for the most part. It would be double this size if it was 1-2 months later during the hot windy season. Not much solace...

Not really preventable, but individuals can do some things to help... thinning brush and trees near the house, closed eaves, etc.

Wells can't draw fast enough to serve in real time; you need a tank (we had 8,000 gallons) which can be pumped fast even with a FD pickup equipped with a pump. But you are really on your own, since in fires like these, they don't send in crescent houseboy house except in rare circumstances to get people out.

swavananda Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:45 pm




I just got burned out in Bonny Doon Fire. Bus is the one I have been working on in my tag. I am so grateful to have had a towbar for my Ghia. It got pulled out on second day.

A Ďwind eventí picked up embers from miles away and started spot fires all over place. An inferno started across the street at 3:30 in the morning. I woke to a sound I never want to hear again. Scrambled to find my cat threw him in truck. Laid on the horn to wake up neighbors. PD arrives and says time to go, and I joke Ďya think? Ď. There was a safe pocket of time to go up next day. I got to pack my truck With enough to feel good about moving on, hooked up the Ghia just as smoke was getting brutal. Got safely out. Of course there was the mental debate of staying and trying to defend The property. That came down to realizing I was the only one up there, no other neighbors could be heard. Did not want to risk it. In other areas, Dooners formed their own strike teams to defend homes. Cal fire pretty much abandoned Bonny Doon first two nights. My place went next morning. Iím really grateful getting back up there to get what I did, otherwise Iíd be pretty devastated. I did go backup to volunteer digging breaks, none held. They are not letting any one up at this point. Winds are picking up and a possible lightning storm coming. Tonight will tell how the rest of Santa Cruz county will fare.

Tram Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:00 pm

swavananda wrote:


I just got burned out in Bonny Doon Fire. Bus is the one I have been working on in my tag. I am so grateful to have had a towbar for my Ghia. It got pulled out on second day.

A Ďwind eventí picked up embers from miles away and started spot fires all over place. An inferno started across the street at 3:30 in the morning. I woke to a sound I never want to hear again. Scrambled to find my cat threw him in truck. Laid on the horn to wake up neighbors. PD arrives and says time to go, and I joke Ďya think? Ď. There was a safe pocket of time to go up next day. I got to pack my truck With enough to feel good about moving on, hooked up the Ghia just as smoke was getting brutal. Got safely out. Of course there was the mental debate of staying and trying to defend The property. That came down to realizing I was the only one up there, no other neighbors could be heard. Did not want to risk it. In other areas, Dooners formed their own strike teams to defend homes. Cal fire pretty much abandoned Bonny Doon first two nights. My place went next morning. Iím really grateful getting back up there to get what I did, otherwise Iíd be pretty devastated. I did go backup to volunteer digging breaks, none held. They are not letting any one up at this point. Winds are picking up and a possible lightning storm coming. Tonight will tell how the rest of Santa Cruz county will fare.

Damn. Sorry for your loss. :cry: In the end, though, even if it sounds trite, stuff is just stuff. Main thing is you are OK.

Tram Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:04 pm

Abscate wrote: Itís so human to move into a desert and then complain itís too hot. Likewise to build in tinderbox and then complain about fires. Likewise to build on ocean front and then complain about hurricane floods. Likewise to move to NYC and just complain

This is kind of beyond that, though. I don't think anyone moved to California for the drought and the fires, any more than people moved to Verkhoyansk, Siberia in the Arctic to experience 100 degree F heat like they did on June 20.



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