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DaveVHS Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:18 am

Another dash question but her goes
I want to fill these holes
My gasless MIG welder will prob blow holes thru the metal cause a) itís thin and b) my welding skills are average

Question:
Is it possible to fibreglass, fill, sand and paint a dash and get a decent result that might look like a painted metal style dash?

Pic of my current status and yes, Iím sure ppl will ask why Iíve forged ahead with interior before doing the dash but it was a bit of a last minute decision



runamoc Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:54 am

if you can 'back-up' where you want to weld with some copper it will stop burn-thru and the weld doesn't stick to the copper. I've used this 'method' to fill in 1/2" holes. Here I'm fixing the gap.


Braukuche Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:07 am

Iíve seen it done and it just doesnít look right. The later dashes have too many switches heís and warning lights, they are physically larger...lus you canít hide the carnage because it is visible from behind if anyone looks.
If you ever decide to sell it will take away the value significantly. Done right the plastic cover looks good and visually correct.

DaveVHS Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:27 pm

runamoc - thanks. good tip I might give that a try.
My glove box door is in bad shape so I might start with that as a test by welding a plate over the door to clean it up

Braukuche - agree with all points, unfortunately the car has been modified heavily so I don't need to keep it original. A lot of the switches and warning lights are items that have been removed by PO

Loren Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:43 pm

Wouldn't it be easier to drill out the spot welds and weld in an early dash section? The dash is spot welded at the windshield opening and across the bottom. The sides are stitch welded. It doesn't take too long to drill out the spot welds and remove the current dash. I have never done this so I don't know how well an older sash section fits, but it would make for a super clean looking modification and welding the spot welds is much easier than patching the current dash.

Marcdeb Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:38 pm

Loren wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to drill out the spot welds and weld in an early dash section? The dash is spot welded at the windshield opening and across the bottom. The sides are stitch welded. It doesn't take too long to drill out the spot welds and remove the current dash. I have never done this so I don't know how well an older sash section fits, but it would make for a super clean looking modification and welding the spot welds is much easier than patching the current dash.

Prior to buying my car, a PO did exactly that to my 71 Vert. The original dash was removed and a 62 dash was welded in. There was nothing wrong with the original dash other than they wanted a different gauge arrangement. I just had the windshield out and it is hard to tell anything was changed.

DaveVHS Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:39 pm

Loren wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to drill out the spot welds and weld in an early dash section? The dash is spot welded at the windshield opening and across the bottom. The sides are stitch welded. It doesn't take too long to drill out the spot welds and remove the current dash. I have never done this so I don't know how well an older sash section fits, but it would make for a super clean looking modification and welding the spot welds is much easier than patching the current dash.

I like this idea and would think its a lot easier to weld in a full or partial dash than patch everything. Not sure where I'd find a donor dash tho. I'm in Australia, doesn't seem to be many KG's around for parts like this

Bones 53 Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:24 pm







sputnick60 Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:48 pm

DaveVHS wrote:

I like this idea and would think its a lot easier to weld in a full or partial dash than patch everything. Not sure where I'd find a donor dash tho. I'm in Australia, doesn't seem to be many KG's around for parts like this

You can ask the local VW club. Also you can ask the Suppliers in BNE, SYD and ADL. Another guy is Vic Brkovec (Vic's Bahn) who is a specialist for obscure Ghia parts. http://www.vicsbahn.com/karmann.html

Nicholas

c21darrel Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:42 am

Loren wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to drill out the spot welds and weld in an early dash section? The dash is spot welded at the windshield opening and across the bottom. The sides are stitch welded. It doesn't take too long to drill out the spot welds and remove the current dash. I have never done this so I don't know how well an older sash section fits, but it would make for a super clean looking modification and welding the spot welds is much easier than patching the current dash.

I think it took me the better part of a Saturday to drill out all the spot welds, their are hundreds. But worth it.
Out with the old, ignition on the column.

67 dash, ignition on the dash.




kingkarmann Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:13 am

Braukuche wrote: Iíve seen it done and it just doesnít look right. The later dashes have too many switches heís and warning lights, they are physically larger...lus you canít hide the carnage because it is visible from behind if anyone looks.
If you ever decide to sell it will take away the value significantly. Done right the plastic cover looks good and visually correct.

I had my extra holes filled on my 67. If the work is done correctly i think they can turn out just fine.



From behind

Braukuche Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:07 pm

kingkarmann wrote: Braukuche wrote: Iíve seen it done and it just doesnít look right. The later dashes have too many switches heís and warning lights, they are physically larger...lus you canít hide the carnage because it is visible from behind if anyone looks.
If you ever decide to sell it will take away the value significantly. Done right the plastic cover looks good and visually correct.

I had my extra holes filled on my 67. If the work is done correctly i think they can turn out just fine.



From behind

Agreed. Very well done.

56reddy Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:59 am

The dash holes are fairly easy to weld up. I took the time to delete all holes, seatbelt indicator, fresh air controls, speaker grill, and defroster vents. I think the final thing Iíll do is relocate the headlight and wiper switches to a hidden location.

Vladiiiii Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:18 am

Are you planning to use the lower dash pads? Be aware that those lower horizontal slats may be visible, in case the fittment of the dash pads is not so good :?

(or they have not yet been covered, in the picture?)

DaveVHS Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:26 pm

No, I removed the factory AC unit and that thin horizontal vinyl strip between metal dash and the AC unit.

AC unit was missing condensor & compressor and the car is far from original, just trying to create more room in the front and style it the way I like, doesn't have to be 100% original as I struggle with leg room

I've really progressed the interior which was a bit dumb so now I need to cover everything to tidy up this dash.

I was reading about those low temp solder/ weld rods and wondered if if anyone here has used them?
I hear they are OK for cosmetic stuff not structural so maybe these would be better than me grinding and welding the dash up now I've already finished a large part of the interior

Before:


After:



Vladiiiii Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:52 pm

That's a nice color combination 8)

Braukuche Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:35 am

If you are going to weld or braze youíll want to gut that nice interior, and pull the windshield. sparks and slag will fly everywhere.
If you are bent on doing this Iíd just fiberglass mat the holes from behind, fill, sand and paint. Itís gonna be one hell of a messy job anyway you go.

kingkarmann Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:45 am

I love the look of a painted dash but I will say i get a lot of glare. I lay a towel or microfiber when I'm driving.
I once considered finishing the dash face and top with Alcantara. I think it looks very classy.

myghiarocks Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:42 pm




We filled and painted mine with metal. Complete interior was removed.
Really like how it turned out. I was not a fan of the fake wood. With the original style dash pad I get no glare.

DaveVHS Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:05 am

Kinda finished it, im a bit over it now really. Many attempts at the vinyl and paint...auuugh anyways, this is the design I wanted so happy I got it done, up close itís a bit rough in places

Top half I wrapped in vinyl and painted the lower half.
I did fibreglass the holes and fill sand over... it was hella messy,
I ran a chrome datum around entire inside that curls up onto the rear parcel shelf, just used that stick-on moulding stuff, cost about $30 for a roll

Vinyl I bought for $20 and got so much I did the dash three times due to a few failed gluing attempts
Still have some cleaning up and new lights/ switches to put in
Gauges were some smith replicas off eBay for $70... not sure how theyíll go as not wired up yet

Overall, very happy with my budget attemptit but trying to get vinyl neat and painting dash was a nightmare








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