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Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:12 am

Mickey bitsko wrote: Interesting you don't discount ANY of the issues I proposed.
You show your progressive stance. We'll just kick the can down the road.
You and I won't around to discuss any collateral damage..
For now, we'll look the other way.
Correct.

How does this impact "good for business" and "Consumers want them"?

Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:16 am

Quote: There’s been some disinformation on this, including a 2007 report that the Toyota Prius hybrid polluted more over its lifetime than a GM Hummer. But cooler heads definitely give the nod to the electrics.
https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/electric-cars-cleaner-than-gas-cars/

Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:48 am

from the motortrend linked article

"If you take an ICE vehicle and an EV and lock them in a room, by the time the world ends the undriven electric car will have already resulted in more bad stuff than the undriven gas-powered car. But here's the crazy part: Cars are driven. Wild, I know, but it's true. The more EVs get driven, the cleaner they get. "

but if an ev is more likely to be written-off after a prang (due to its greater mass) then this net zero payback doesn't happen. that's why I was querying the % of evs written off and what happens to them...

Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:50 am

They go to live 2nd lives in 3rd world countries.

Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:00 am

Hell, the insurance companies now total new cars if the airbags deploy, or if proximity sensors are damaged.

I’m waiting for the backlash when the insurance industry realizes the hazardous nature of the battery packs & “adjust” policies of auto owners, shops, & tow yards.

Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:17 am

TDCTDI wrote: I’m waiting for the backlash when the insurance industry realizes the hazardous nature of the battery packs & “adjust” policies of auto owners, shops, & tow yards.
How about home insurance?, "got an EV parked in your attached garage?, bend over...".

Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:26 am

Oh shit. Don't tell my home insurer. Oh wait, they already know, they insure my car.

wait a second... there's something wrong here:

Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:30 am

Can't be any worse than a leaky gas powered car with the water heater in the garage, a risk 99% of car/home owners have.

Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:34 am

KTPhil wrote: Can't be any worse than a leaky gas powered car with the water heater in the garage, a risk 99% of car/home owners have.

Unless the garage is heated, that's a poor location for a hot water heater or furnace. I've seen both and the garage was not heated even though the furnace was there. Any home with a basement would have no reason for the furnace to be in the garage.

Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:28 pm

Bonesberg55 wrote: KTPhil wrote: Can't be any worse than a leaky gas powered car with the water heater in the garage, a risk 99% of car/home owners have.

Unless the garage is heated, that's a poor location for a hot water heater or furnace. I've seen both and the garage was not heated even though the furnace was there. Any home with a basement would have no reason for the furnace to be in the garage.

No basements in California, and the standard location has been the garage for about 75 years, especially on slab-style foundation, the most common here.

Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:14 pm

They don't total/write off a car based on what's damaged persay. But based on the repair cost verses the current market value of the car. So the more stuff costs to repair the more likely a car will total.

Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:56 pm

Onceler wrote: this one has a little better detail

ok, explain this then:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/02/210202164535.htm

the earth WARMED during the lockdowns

so by the way that article reads one could assume if the whole planet literally stayed put for a year, the earth would continue to warm.

and solar panels do a pretty good job of fucking things up

"Solar panels change the way sunlight is reflected and absorbed by the Earth. Any radiation they take in is radiation that’s not being absorbed by the Earth. This leads to a cooling effect in the region surrounding the array. In fact, the first two simulations in this study, which assumed solar panel installations throughout the world’s desert and urban areas, produced a 2-degree Celsius regional cooling in the desert regions. This cooling was also associated with a 20 percent decrease in precipitation in the deserts. Other, slightly broader changes in precipitation and wind patterns occurred as a result in the regions surrounding the deserts."

article here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environ...-a-little/

Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:30 pm

Those are some well done articles and the answers to your questions are right in the articles.

Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:49 pm

Teeroy wrote: They don't total/write off a car based on what's damaged persay. But based on the repair cost verses the current market value of the car. So the more stuff costs to repair the more likely a car will total.

Our 2011 Yukon was in an accident in October, value by insurance company set at $18K, with repair costs at $11K; they totaled it.

Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:56 pm

KTPhil wrote: Bonesberg55 wrote: KTPhil wrote: Can't be any worse than a leaky gas powered car with the water heater in the garage, a risk 99% of car/home owners have.

Unless the garage is heated, that's a poor location for a hot water heater or furnace. I've seen both and the garage was not heated even though the furnace was there. Any home with a basement would have no reason for the furnace to be in the garage.

No basements in California, and the standard location has been the garage for about 75 years, especially on slab-style foundation, the most common here.

And you guys have the goofy garage doors that swing out and up. Them won't work around here with 8" of snow and ice.

Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:24 pm

Manfred58sc wrote: I'd like to see actual owners/operators chime in on their experiences. . .
Even better is observing them "au naturel", so to speak. There are a few websites out there that are sort of like thesamba for Tesla owners. It's fun to read about some the things they have to deal with, both positive AND negative. Oddly enough, they almost sound like crotchety old ACVW owners, but with a lot more money! Here's a good one: https://www.teslaownersonline.com/

Manfred58sc wrote: . . . I met a retired rich guy at a hot springs with a Tesla model S. . .
Just curious, anyone ever met a Tesla owner who wasn't rich? I haven't.

Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:48 pm

Onceler wrote: global heating corresponds to increased greenhouse gasses. . .
This is true. However, global heating also corresponds with increased solar activity, and a number of other things. Perhaps there's more going on than meets the eye. Then again, we're only talking about an increase in temperature of, like, 2 degrees over the past couple of centuries, so there's not really a whole lot going on either way you look at it.

Hey, anyone remember dihydrogen monoxide pollution? DHMO pollution has been making the news about once every 5 or 10 years since the mid-90's.

Cracks me up how many people get bent out of shape when they first hear about it. You mean, DHMO is contaminating the lakes, rivers and streams, even the air we breathe and the food we eat, and the government does NOTHING to stop it?!!! OM effin' G!!!

You can make anything sound like the end of the world, if you spin it just right. . .

Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:57 pm

skills@eurocarsplus wrote: Onceler wrote: this one has a little better detail

ok, explain this then:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/02/210202164535.htm

the earth WARMED during the lockdowns

so by the way that article reads one could assume if the whole planet literally stayed put for a year, the earth would continue to warm.

and solar panels do a pretty good job of fucking things up

"Solar panels change the way sunlight is reflected and absorbed by the Earth. Any radiation they take in is radiation that’s not being absorbed by the Earth. This leads to a cooling effect in the region surrounding the array. In fact, the first two simulations in this study, which assumed solar panel installations throughout the world’s desert and urban areas, produced a 2-degree Celsius regional cooling in the desert regions. This cooling was also associated with a 20 percent decrease in precipitation in the deserts. Other, slightly broader changes in precipitation and wind patterns occurred as a result in the regions surrounding the deserts."

article here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environ...-a-little/

There's approximately a decade's lag until the full effects of those emissions are felt. Thus, during the pandemic and lockdowns, we were dealing with our sins of the 2010-2012 era, approximately. So- no immediate slowdown in climate change could reasonably be expected. Just FYI.

https://earth.org/data_visualization/the-time-lag-...20of%20it.

And, for the record, no, I'm not an EV fan. Nice thought, but I really can't see it being sustainable- and who needs spontaneous combustion?

Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:29 pm

Quote: Then again, we're only talking about an increase in temperature of, like, 2 degrees over the past couple of centuries, so there's not really a whole lot going on either way you look at it.

A 2 degree change in the air temperature or a cup of water is barely noticeable

A 2 degree change in the entire Earth is a massive amount of heat. The process by which this heat is distributed between ground, water , and sky is called climate.

The total temperature change between an ice age and bake cycle , which typically take 20,000 years , is 10 degrees.

Still think 2 degrees hangs is small?

Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:36 am

Yes I do!

A 1/4" of rain in your rain gauge is a pretty small amount but calculate the volume and weight of that same 1/4" over 1000 acres of land and it looks like a flood of Biblical proportions! That's how all you climate alarmists work isn't it?!

Spill 1 barrel of crude on the ground out here and the alarmists/media report it as a 158,900 ml oil spill! Ya! That's huge ain't it! In actual fact that's 30 oil changes at Jiffy Lube, maybe an hour and a half's business with 3 bays and 3 grease monkeys? Or 8 oil changes if you are driving a Dodge Cummins...

Ya, but that's still 158,900 millilitres !!! :shock:

:roll:

Let's play your temperature increase numbers game if you like. In late spring or early fall in this part of the country it is not at all uncommon to start the day with frost on the ground and hit 80*F by 1 PM. That's almost a 50* CLIMATE CHANGE IN 6 HOURS!!! AND IT CAN HAPPEN EVERY DAY!!!!

Go ahead and calculate the massive amount of energy that represents on the northern hemisphere! I will wait... :D

Two degrees in a hundred years? Peanuts in the big picture! A pencil line on the painted roof of the Sistine Chapel ceiling!