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ALLWAGONS Fri May 26, 2023 11:30 am

oprn wrote: The ego driven appetites of consumers is what enables all this. The "Mine is bigger and better than yours." mentality. Just think about how different our world would be if it were instead a "Mine is more efficient and cost effective than yours."

Pretty hard to flaunt that look though... very few people have any appreciation of that kind of a sensible lifestyle.

Obviously you DON'T live in California!

ALLWAGONS Fri May 26, 2023 11:54 am

In Spanish radio, a few stations are running ads against EV's. Stating they are only for the rich. They are neither cheap nor accessible. Maybe they will find another cause to create mayhem again. Sad

Jon Schmid Fri May 26, 2023 2:08 pm

There's a headline on today's LA Times website regarding a "huge" data breach at Tesla regarding gross under reporting of crashes involving their "Autopilot" cars.

Jon Schmid Fri May 26, 2023 3:49 pm

Here's the headline:

Huge Tesla data leak reportedly reveals thousands of safety complaints.

kingkarmann Fri May 26, 2023 4:46 pm

Jon Schmid wrote: Here's the headline:

Huge Tesla data leak reportedly reveals thousands of safety complaints.

HUGE!!

:lol: :lol:

Evil Clown Fri May 26, 2023 9:27 pm

https://youtube.com/shorts/tNg1_dmsPr8?feature=share

oprn Sat May 27, 2023 5:51 am

ALLWAGONS wrote: In Spanish radio, a few stations are running ads against EV's. Stating they are only for the rich. They are neither cheap nor accessible. Maybe they will find another cause to create mayhem again. Sad
Some people may be buying them for practical reasons but I suspect most are using them as a status symbol at this point in time. Once the "blush is off the rose" and thing get real, we will see how it all turns out.

Abscate Sat May 27, 2023 2:18 pm

If I were in a capital cycle looking to replace a car right now I would be on the cusp of EV. With a maximum commute of 45 miles to transport an ICE no longer makes sense for me.

Getting rid of my ICE wonít pay for itself though , so Iíll stay unsmug for now.

A Tesla would have been great on my 3 hour slog through Taylor Swift traffic, though

busdaddy Sat May 27, 2023 2:27 pm

A sale flyer for Canadian tire came in today, regular car tires (yes, they still sell tires surprisingly) were ~$100, light truck ~$180, EV tires were ~$400 ea on sale, that kind of bites in to the smug bank when calculating long term ownership costs. :P

Abscate Sat May 27, 2023 3:18 pm

Tire rack $200 options

busdaddy Sat May 27, 2023 4:30 pm

Abscate wrote: Tire rack $200 options
But are they made ethically and sustainably to maximise the virtue signalling?, you can't cheap out on "saving the planet" now can you?

I'm sure there's affordable options if you shop around, I was just a little impressed by the blatant exploitation of gullible EV owners because they need to feel "special".

Xevin Sat May 27, 2023 8:48 pm

busdaddy wrote: Abscate wrote: Tire rack $200 options
But are they made ethically and sustainably to maximise the virtue signalling?, you can't cheap out on "saving the planet" now can you?

I'm sure there's affordable options if you shop around, I was just a little impressed by the blatant exploitation of gullible EV owners because they need to feel "special".

:lol: :lol:

At least the owners of Leaf cars. The tires should last 10-15 years. That helps save the planet a tiny bit :wink:

(Of course you donít keep tires that long).

Abscate Sat May 27, 2023 9:38 pm

oprn wrote: ALLWAGONS wrote: In Spanish radio, a few stations are running ads against EV's. Stating they are only for the rich. They are neither cheap nor accessible. Maybe they will find another cause to create mayhem again. Sad
Some people may be buying them for practical reasons but I suspect most are using them as a status symbol at this point in time. Once the "blush is off the rose" and thing get real, we will see how it all turns out.

Is this about trucks or EVs?

oprn Sun May 28, 2023 5:07 am

Abscate wrote: oprn wrote: ALLWAGONS wrote: In Spanish radio, a few stations are running ads against EV's. Stating they are only for the rich. They are neither cheap nor accessible. Maybe they will find another cause to create mayhem again. Sad
Some people may be buying them for practical reasons but I suspect most are using them as a status symbol at this point in time. Once the "blush is off the rose" and things get real, we will see how it all turns out.

Is this about trucks or EVs?
The answer is ... yes! :D

Floating VW Sun May 28, 2023 6:48 pm

steve244 wrote: I was wondering about the Herbert quote. It's from the fourth in the Dune series, God-Emperor of Dune . . .

. . . I didn't make it past the 2nd novel so I can't add much (other than read Dune, but skip the rest). The analysis states suppression of advanced technology was to force the population to evolve. I suppose that's appropriate, but EVs don't equate with primitive tech. We really should be going back to street cars, horse-drawn or not.
I definitely recommend reading the entire series. The first few books are a bit of a chore to get through sometimes, but they do get better and better as the series progresses.

Even though the technology being used is comparatively modern, I think the concept of the EV is incredibly primitive. Batteries, electric motors and even EV's have literally existed for centuries. It's kind of like "texting" on your cell phone. The cell phone is a modern electronic device; the ability to type words into an electric device and send them to someone far, far away is two centuries old. (And it's somewhat of a regression, in my opinion. Does anyone remember the days when you actually talked to the person at the other end of the line, instead of doing what basically amounts to the 21st century version of the telegraph?)

In other electric news, this popped up on my feed the other day, and I sincerely hope this is being completely blown out of proportion (but my inner cynic has the sinking feeling that it's not):


Bonesberg55 Mon May 29, 2023 4:52 am

What about icebergs?

oprn Mon May 29, 2023 5:52 am

I have not heard of this problem here. We have hundreds of those whirly birds in this area too but of course our weather is much colder and dryer than Scotland...

Ice on the blades would naturally decrease efficiency but so would a decrease in wing speed, I can't see that being an issue. Perhaps ice breaking off randomly could cause an imbalance but at 11 rpm would that be so bad? I suppose that due to the blade length it could be...

Interesting subject!

steve244 Mon May 29, 2023 6:34 am

Floating VW wrote: steve244 wrote: I was wondering about the Herbert quote. It's from the fourth in the Dune series, God-Emperor of Dune . . .

. . . I didn't make it past the 2nd novel so I can't add much (other than read Dune, but skip the rest). The analysis states suppression of advanced technology was to force the population to evolve. I suppose that's appropriate, but EVs don't equate with primitive tech. We really should be going back to street cars, horse-drawn or not.
I definitely recommend reading the entire series. The first few books are a bit of a chore to get through sometimes, but they do get better and better as the series progresses.

Even though the technology being used is comparatively modern, I think the concept of the EV is incredibly primitive. Batteries, electric motors and even EV's have literally existed for centuries. It's kind of like "texting" on your cell phone. The cell phone is a modern electronic device; the ability to type words into an electric device and send them to someone far, far away is two centuries old. (And it's somewhat of a regression, in my opinion. Does anyone remember the days when you actually talked to the person at the other end of the line, instead of doing what basically amounts to the 21st century version of the telegraph?)

In other electric news, this popped up on my feed the other day, and I sincerely hope this is being completely blown out of proportion (but my inner cynic has the sinking feeling that it's not):



Combustion engines are millennias old.

finster Mon May 29, 2023 8:24 am

oprn wrote: Interesting subject!

indeed! looks like the turbines, operated by a spanish company, were not 'winterised' enough to suit scottish winters.
this is from the edf website - sounds good but they don't say where the heat comes from to 'increase your generation'! perhaps it's political hot air :wink:
"But ice can be a challenge in cold weather. Turbine manufacturers offer ice detection systems, which shut the turbines down automatically if ice is detected. Ice can impact the turbineís performance, but it could also create a safety hazard.
As well as ice detection systems, some innovative solutions for anti-icing are used in very cold locations, such as Scandinavia. For example, some blades come with a material that heats up to prevent them from icing. Other solutions include blowing hot air into the blades. The idea being that you avoid shutdown of the turbine in these conditions and increase your generation."

raygreenwood Mon May 29, 2023 1:45 pm

Most modern wind turbines have some method of blade de-icing available. I say available. Its an option.

Wind turbines cannot operate with any significant ice on the blades. Between the weight and the turbulence produced it WILL destroy the blades....violently.

Bit a lot of locations do not OPT for the de-icing kit. This was a LARGE part if the issue down in Texas a couple of years ago in the deep freeze with sleet. No de-icing. They had to shut them all down.

They had made wind and solar roughly 20% of their capacity and dismantled the corresponding fossil fuel backup....hence a critical power shortage in the midst of rare below 0 weather. Ray



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