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Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:21 pm

Hello.
I am restoring 55 Barn Panel and 54 DX now.

I am interested in cargo door strap.
My 54 DX has a wrong strap.
I intend to repair it.
(front side)

(rear side)

I look at the photos, Vintage photos in forum.
Most of DX have a strap in rear cargo door.

But, in the parts list, the strap of DX is one.
What do you think?

There is a hole (nut) attaching strap cleat to rear Cargo door.
There is a similar hall on the body side.
55Panel & 54DX has a hole.

By any chance.....
As for the rear door, does the strap attach strap cleat to the Body side?
Do you know it?
#-o

Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:48 pm

Yes, the Parts Manual is confusing here.
It only seems to list the forward/lhs strap, and not the rear/rhs strap.

The forward/lhs starap only has one [90] shackle (cleat), as the other end of the strap is held by a pin [91]
Cleat secured by 2 screws [89]

The rear/rhs strap has two cleats.
4 screws

The screws are M5 raised-head countersunk machine screws
I’ve assumed they are slotted…not philips…they *may* have originally been philips

Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:09 pm

Hi, RockStock.
Thank you for your photograph.

Really two clates! :shock:

Is the photograph your BarnDX?
Is the strap beige?

Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:40 am

Yes, my deluxe
I’ve had to recreate the strap detail here, so don’t assume it’s all original

Straps were black I believe…but this dye fades to beige

I read that deluxe cleats are slightly taller…so I used taller cleats (16mm when you sit them on a table)

Repop straps are sold with two cleats, btw

Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:25 pm

My 55Panel has beige Strap. Is the faded black?

I intend to buy this.
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm? ID = 211841387
Is it different from OG in various things?

"taller cleats"?
Is it this?
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=584223

Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:06 pm

The taller one above is to help clear the deluxe exterior aluminum body trim when the door is fully open. I've pulled three of these off of original 55,56 rusty deluxe buses
Your panel should be black in color

Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:23 am

YuichiroM wrote: "taller cleats"?
Is it this?
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=584223

Yes

I think the taller cleat just helps to clear the aluminium trim around the mat on the inside of the cargo doors - which it has to bridge

Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:48 am

The VW factory should have cut this partial trim.
Then, it was not necessary to prepare Cleat for DX into the VW factory.

My door card does not have the aluminium trim.
......... #-o Shall I repair the door card? To OG design.
Then I must look for the cleat for DX. :wink:

Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:16 am

Don’t question 1950s/1960s VW, Yuichiro!😂
Yes, vertical trim is short

Yes, go with original design…
A few people are making very nice reproductions already

For example, follow Adam on Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/p/CoukQrcoLtA/?igshid=NzZhOTFlYzFmZQ==

Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:29 am

Who has original screws in their strap?

Fri Sep 22, 2023 4:16 pm

RockStock wrote: YuichiroM wrote: "taller cleats"?
Is it this?
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=584223

Yes

I think the taller cleat just helps to clear the aluminium trim around the mat on the inside of the cargo doors - which it has to bridge

This makes a lot of sense to...

And it's all about the original screws for extra points ! Slotted and pointed

Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:10 pm

I intend to buy this.
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=N142671
Will appearances be different?

no.8studio is splendid.
WCCI makes Upholstery, too.
https://www.classicvws.com/interiors/barn-int.php

But the big baggage is expensive to go half round the earth. :wink:

....Near my house, there is an interior shop.
The interior shop made cloth for seat of 52SPLIT.

He checked an original design hard.
Upholstery of my DX intends to restore it in this shop.

What is this? :shock: I was thinking about this.

The aluminum trim is this shape.I see, understand. :D

Sat Sep 23, 2023 12:48 am

Small details, but WW strap is probably longer (check), and has the seems sewn in different places
But will work ok

Cleats may be the low version
Looks like that strap comes with only one cleat

Trim is your version b
Allows the ribbed mat to slide under

Sat Sep 23, 2023 1:38 pm

Just to add to this, I coincidentally just came across 2 straps while looking for something else a few days ago. I dont exactly recall what bus they came from unfortunately.

I also have 4 cleats, 3 tall 1 short.

The straps definitely at one time were black, now faded on the outsides. One is longer than the other. judging by the condition, look like they may have come off the same bus. anybodys guess though.

Also because Ive been a real hardware nerd during my bus restoration, got curious on the screws. I looked in the parts book and they are a philips head countersunk M5x10 ( start pickin Chris :lol: ). Same screws used for the optional rear hatch/truck decklid latch mechanism as well as all the screws holding the locking mechanism onto the header bow of the sunroof.

The screws in the photo, both left are new JIS (A secret of mine, found that a lot of JIS hardware is very close if not exact to original german stuff) , rights are original replated.

Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:31 pm

🙂
Good work on the Philips screws
Would like to see where they are mentioned in the parts book

Thinking the cleat on the rhs here doesn’t need to be the tall version. No trim to clear.
I wonder if it was tall, or short?

Sun Sep 24, 2023 5:12 pm

ISP selling a strap set now. On ebay.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403185138923?mkevt=1&am...;recoPos=1

Tall Cleat two. One short.
Two pieces of straps. (long & Short ?)
Six screws.
Is it right? :?:

WW, ISP, CIP1,C&C ... etc. Tall cleat? For versatility.
right? :?:

Through Mid 1958:slotted screw.
Mid 1958 through 1967:Philips screws.
ISP says.
:?:
https://vwispwest.com/type2/split-window/body/door/cargo-door/

Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:16 am

YuichiroM wrote: ISP selling a strap set now. On ebay.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403185138923?mkevt=1&am...;recoPos=1

Tall Cleat two. One short.
Two pieces of straps. (long & Short ?)
Six screws.
Is it right? :?:

At a quick glance, this ISP kit looks decent to me
Yes, I understand the pin strap is shorter

Screws, I’ll trust MR over ISP 🙂
Would be nice to have some photographic back-up/evidence from an original bus…

Wed Sep 27, 2023 4:20 pm

Here's my '55 Deluxe

Front strap (probably original screws and everything:

Rear strap cargo door side:

The body side of the rear cargo door 100% has the wrong screws (No photo)

Screws from the rear cargo door shown directly above:

These are probably from a later Bus as they are the same as my '63 15-Window

Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:58 pm

I don't own a barndoor or a deluxe but this is by far the most interesting Bus thread on the Samba the last couple of weeks.

I am so nerding out on this. :P

Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:41 am

So are these specific to barndoor or did they install them on later years? I found one in my parts stash the other day but don't know if its barndoor specific or if it even matters, if in fact the same ones were produced for multiple years. The lower cargo pillars of my bus are so wasted that I have nothing left of the original.