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Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:35 pm

zerotofifty wrote: I read the list of ingredients on manchurian raman and it aint looking too good.

besides wheat....canola, palm, and cotton seed oils, TBHQ (what ever the heck that is)

TBHQ is tert-butylhydroquinone (t-butylhydroquinone), a antioxidant/preservative not too different from BHA or BHT. The -OH groups oxidize before the double bonds in fats and fatty acids in the product to inhibit rancidity. I developed procedures to assay for TBHQ, BHA, BHT, etc. in competitors' soap and consumer products using chromatography.

Fri Dec 06, 2024 7:41 pm

Cusser wrote: zerotofifty wrote: I read the list of ingredients on manchurian raman and it aint looking too good.

besides wheat....canola, palm, and cotton seed oils, TBHQ (what ever the heck that is)

TBHQ is tert-butylhydroquinone (t-butylhydroquinone), a antioxidant/preservative not too different from BHA or BHT. The -OH groups oxidize before the double bonds in fats and fatty acids in the product to inhibit rancidity. I developed procedures to assay for TBHQ, BHA, BHT, etc. in competitors' soap and consumer products using chromatography.

Thanks.

Here is some info on the bad of TBHQ...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214750022001111

It has some toxic effects, can damage DNA.

Maybe RFK is on to something with his plan to make America healthy again. I hope so. junk food is full of bad stuff, and a good number of folks consume quite a bit of it on a daily basis

Sat Dec 07, 2024 8:32 am

zerotofifty wrote: Cusser wrote: zerotofifty wrote: I read the list of ingredients on manchurian raman and it aint looking too good.

besides wheat....canola, palm, and cotton seed oils, TBHQ (what ever the heck that is)

TBHQ is tert-butylhydroquinone (t-butylhydroquinone), a antioxidant/preservative not too different from BHA or BHT. The -OH groups oxidize before the double bonds in fats and fatty acids in the product to inhibit rancidity. I developed procedures to assay for TBHQ, BHA, BHT, etc. in competitors' soap and consumer products using chromatography.

Thanks.

Here is some info on the bad of TBHQ...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214750022001111

It has some toxic effects, can damage DNA.

Maybe RFK is on to something with his plan to make America healthy again. I hope so. junk food is full of bad stuff, and a good number of folks consume quite a bit of it on a daily basis

you say as I clean my greasy VW parts with brake cleaner and gasoline.
No PPE for me.
My DNA was damaged long ago.

Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:15 pm

Had a buddy help me out for the day, slapping some glass in Sprinter vans. Paid him and took him to lunch, his choice was a local Hofbrau, food is always good and decent portions.

I had a salad and some oven baked potatoes and an Iced tea, He had a Turkey plate with all the fixins and we split a Pecan pie slice. Total before tip was $49.00.

It shocked me at first but I just did 3 jobs at full market for a company with a fleet of new MBZ's, it's just what life costs.

Stacy

Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:59 pm

A few years ago, I painted a few bare spots of metal with some rattle can enamel & managed to get some on my fingers. I half ass tried to clean it off but the soap just didn’t do it. I grabbed a combo meal at KFC & after picking up the chicken, the grease dissolved the paint on my fingers. I never ate there again.

Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:04 pm

16CVs wrote: Had a buddy help me out for the day, slapping some glass in Sprinter vans. Paid him and took him to lunch, his choice was a local Hofbrau, food is always good and decent portions.

I had a salad and some oven baked potatoes and an Iced tea, He had a Turkey plate with all the fixins and we split a Pecan pie slice. Total before tip was $49.00.

It shocked me at first but I just did 3 jobs at full market for a company with a fleet of new MBZ's, it's just what life costs.

Stacy

Harry's Hofbrau??? Good place. My folks took me there when I was a kid, half century ago. still going there, but it is a rare treat.

Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:27 pm

TDCTDI wrote: A few years ago, I painted a few bare spots of metal with some rattle can enamel & managed to get some on my fingers. I half ass tried to clean it off but the soap just didn’t do it. I grabbed a combo meal at KFC & after picking up the chicken, the grease dissolved the paint on my fingers. I never ate there again.

I worked at KFC when I was a kid - Don't ever eat there.

I suspect that goes for anyone who's ever worked at any fast food place though

Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:58 am

TDCTDI wrote: I grabbed a combo meal at KFC & after picking up the chicken, the grease dissolved the paint on my fingers. I never ate there again.

My 'never again' moment with KFC was the morning after a late night with uni mates. Someone suggested KFC. In the morning; the TV remote buttons were covered in what looked like solidified wax (congealed chicken grease/fat). The thought of that floating round my arteries put me right off.

'Thankfully' I was diagnosed coeliac just over a decade ago, so now I couldn't eat it because of the breadcrumbs anyhow.

Sun Dec 08, 2024 11:35 am

Who.Me? wrote:
My 'never again' moment with KFC was the morning after a late night with uni mates. Someone suggested KFC. In the morning; the TV remote buttons were covered in what looked like solidified wax (congealed chicken grease/fat). The thought of that floating round my arteries put me right off.

I thought KFC in the UK was code for heroin! Maybe that's just Manchester...

Sun Dec 08, 2024 12:30 pm

Who.Me? wrote: TDCTDI wrote: I grabbed a combo meal at KFC & after picking up the chicken, the grease dissolved the paint on my fingers. I never ate there again.

My 'never again' moment with KFC was the morning after a late night with uni mates. Someone suggested KFC. In the morning; the TV remote buttons were covered in what looked like solidified wax (congealed chicken grease/fat). The thought of that floating round my arteries put me right off.

'Thankfully' I was diagnosed coeliac just over a decade ago, so now I couldn't eat it because of the breadcrumbs anyhow.

I haven’t had KFC in over 25 years because I figured it was rotten for the body. And now I have a craving for that delicious greasy crunchy chicken and gooey mashed potatoes. Yum. I might dive in if I see a KFC today.

Back in the 70s as a kid my dad and I would pick up a couple meal boxes and hit the park to play catch or fish. Good times. Fast food can be fun in small dose's.

Sun Dec 08, 2024 12:39 pm

EverettB wrote: TDCTDI wrote: A few years ago, I painted a few bare spots of metal with some rattle can enamel & managed to get some on my fingers. I half ass tried to clean it off but the soap just didn’t do it. I grabbed a combo meal at KFC & after picking up the chicken, the grease dissolved the paint on my fingers. I never ate there again.

I worked at KFC when I was a kid - Don't ever eat there.

I suspect that goes for anyone who's ever worked at any fast food place though

I've been a Samba user since it was VW planet,

.....and NOW you tell me! :cry:

Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:05 pm

ALLWAGONS wrote: EverettB wrote: TDCTDI wrote: A few years ago, I painted a few bare spots of metal with some rattle can enamel & managed to get some on my fingers. I half ass tried to clean it off but the soap just didn’t do it. I grabbed a combo meal at KFC & after picking up the chicken, the grease dissolved the paint on my fingers. I never ate there again.

I worked at KFC when I was a kid - Don't ever eat there.

I suspect that goes for anyone who's ever worked at any fast food place though

I've been a Samba user since it was VW planet,

.....and NOW you tell me! :cry:

Oh he's mentioned this a few times before. I have another friend who worked there and says the same.

Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:22 am

oil is a thinner for most paints so...

Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:52 pm

outcaststudios wrote: oil is a thinner for most paints so...

Yes, except that vegetable oil doesn’t/shouldnt thin enamel paint.

Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:05 pm

TBHQ.....

The molecule kind of looks like a snowflake, and the letters spell out HH-HO if you spin it around while reading (or OH-OH). It must be the Christmas molecule!!!!!

Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:27 pm

I buy 4 sausage Mcmuffins for $7.00 or 4 bacon Mcdoubles for $8.00 with an my previous receipt in No sales tax Oregon! 8)

Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:28 pm

TDCTDI wrote: outcaststudios wrote: oil is a thinner for most paints so...

Yes, except that vegetable oil doesn’t/shouldnt thin enamel paint.

Where did you get that idea?

Vegetable oils are some of the MOST destructive oils to plastics and rubber.

What IS an enamel paint? I can tell you this...in the paint world the term "enamel" simply means its OIL (actually solvent) based. Thats its. Thats its only defining factor to be called "enamel".

Typically they contain either mineral or plastic pigment particles. They "cure" through oxidative cross-linking. They require oxygen to make a hard surface and whats on the inner layer make take years to harden.

The key to the possible damage from both vegetable oils and some other oils like lanolin is that all paints have some porosity.

Unless your enamel is chemically crosslinked with a hardener (like most spray cans are not)....the oil will penetrate through the pores to the layer beneath which has not yet cross-linked. Eats it right up.

A wide range of modern plastics ...especially TPU and TPE used in the skin-soft surfaces of modern switches and dashes...have had TONS of problems with food oils and especially hand lotions....RAPIDLY...degrading steering wheel covers, stereo andcontrol switches. Tons of recalls.

Its not something nefarious in the oil. Its the paint...and its a common process.

Oh...by the way....the main issue in food oils that is hard on rubber/elostomers and paint....is saturated fats :lol:

There are specific types of rubber for seals and o-rings that must be used with high fat oils.
An interesting example is Viton...while its very good with most oils and still rates a B or C (depending onwhich viton)...eventually breaks down from "corn oil".

Generally defined common "vegetable oil"...readily breaks down EPDM, Neoprene and Butyl rubber....go figure!

Olive oil breaks down SBR....styrene butadiene rubber (a very common seal making rubber) and does a fair job eating silicone as well.

Ray

Mon Dec 09, 2024 9:59 pm

raygreenwood wrote: TDCTDI wrote: outcaststudios wrote: oil is a thinner for most paints so...

Yes, except that vegetable oil doesn’t/shouldnt thin enamel paint.

Where did you get that idea?

Vegetable oils are some of the MOST destructive oils to plastics and rubber.

What IS an enamel paint? I can tell you this...in the paint world the term "enamel" simply means its OIL (actually solvent) based. Thats its. Thats its only defining factor to be called "enamel".

Typically they contain either mineral or plastic pigment particles. They "cure" through oxidative cross-linking. They require oxygen to make a hard surface and whats on the inner layer make take years to harden.

The key to the possible damage from both vegetable oils and some other oils like lanolin is that all paints have some porosity.

Unless your enamel is chemically crosslinked with a hardener (like most spray cans are not)....the oil will penetrate through the pores to the layer beneath which has not yet cross-linked. Eats it right up.

A wide range of modern plastics ...especially TPU and TPE used in the skin-soft surfaces of modern switches and dashes...have had TONS of problems with food oils and especially hand lotions....RAPIDLY...degrading steering wheel covers, stereo andcontrol switches. Tons of recalls.

Its not something nefarious in the oil. Its the paint...and its a common process.

Oh...by the way....the main issue in food oils that is hard on rubber/elostomers and paint....is saturated fats :lol:

There are specific types of rubber for seals and o-rings that must be used with high fat oils.
An interesting example is Viton...while its very good with most oils and still rates a B or C (depending onwhich viton)...eventually breaks down from "corn oil".

Generally defined common "vegetable oil"...readily breaks down EPDM, Neoprene and Butyl rubber....go figure!

Olive oil breaks down SBR....styrene butadiene rubber (a very common seal making rubber) and does a fair job eating silicone as well.

Ray

Sun screens can be very damaging to plastics, I know folks that are big time users of the clear type sun screens, and the interior surfaces of their cars where they touch with hands and arms when covered in sunscreen have been destroyed. I forbid its use in my cars for that reason I dont want that goop slathered on to my cars interior. Totally forbidden in my vehicles, you wear that stuff and you are either walking or must wash it off your body, it aint getting inside my car. Ugh!!

I used to use that clear sun screen when boating, on my neck for instance, and I found it to destroy the life vest where it touched my neck. I assume the life vest is a polyester or nylon , or some other synthetic cloth.

I found this type of sun screen to destroy brand new sunglasses, causing the plastic frame to disintegrate overnight, yes, less than a 12 hour exposure and the glasses frame fell apart! I repeated this test numerous times, same results. Fancy that, sun glasses that can be exposed to sun screen.

As for food oils and paint on the skin, paint has porosity, bits of skin, hairs stick through the paint, oils can creep under paint, and paint dont stick well to oily surfaces, so yes, I can see how food oils can lift paint off of skin. Many aerosol paints can take many many days to fully cure unless given a bake. You want to cure them faster, bake in an oven, but at room temp or body temp it can take a long long time to cure. Lacquers are a bit different, and simply dry by evaporation of the solvent, they are known to dry fast usually, and can be resoftened readily by application of more paint or solvent. this makes lacquers very forgiving for recoating, and touching up defects.

Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:55 am

zerotofifty wrote: Sun screens can be very damaging to plastics

Yes, can damage some kinds of plastic.

I worked on sunscreens in my "real" job; sunscreens are typically skin lotions with high levels of UV-absorbing chemicals so contain a high amount of organic chemicals.

Tue Dec 10, 2024 12:06 pm

zerotofifty wrote: raygreenwood wrote: TDCTDI wrote: outcaststudios wrote: oil is a thinner for most paints so...

Yes, except that vegetable oil doesn’t/shouldnt thin enamel paint.

Where did you get that idea?

Vegetable oils are some of the MOST destructive oils to plastics and rubber.

What IS an enamel paint? I can tell you this...in the paint world the term "enamel" simply means its OIL (actually solvent) based. Thats its. Thats its only defining factor to be called "enamel".

Typically they contain either mineral or plastic pigment particles. They "cure" through oxidative cross-linking. They require oxygen to make a hard surface and whats on the inner layer make take years to harden.

The key to the possible damage from both vegetable oils and some other oils like lanolin is that all paints have some porosity.

Unless your enamel is chemically crosslinked with a hardener (like most spray cans are not)....the oil will penetrate through the pores to the layer beneath which has not yet cross-linked. Eats it right up.

A wide range of modern plastics ...especially TPU and TPE used in the skin-soft surfaces of modern switches and dashes...have had TONS of problems with food oils and especially hand lotions....RAPIDLY...degrading steering wheel covers, stereo andcontrol switches. Tons of recalls.

Its not something nefarious in the oil. Its the paint...and its a common process.

Oh...by the way....the main issue in food oils that is hard on rubber/elostomers and paint....is saturated fats :lol:

There are specific types of rubber for seals and o-rings that must be used with high fat oils.
An interesting example is Viton...while its very good with most oils and still rates a B or C (depending onwhich viton)...eventually breaks down from "corn oil".

Generally defined common "vegetable oil"...readily breaks down EPDM, Neoprene and Butyl rubber....go figure!

Olive oil breaks down SBR....styrene butadiene rubber (a very common seal making rubber) and does a fair job eating silicone as well.

Ray

Sun screens can be very damaging to plastics, I know folks that are big time users of the clear type sun screens, and the interior surfaces of their cars where they touch with hands and arms when covered in sunscreen have been destroyed. I forbid its use in my cars for that reason I dont want that goop slathered on to my cars interior. Totally forbidden in my vehicles, you wear that stuff and you are either walking or must wash it off your body, it aint getting inside my car. Ugh!!

I used to use that clear sun screen when boating, on my neck for instance, and I found it to destroy the life vest where it touched my neck. I assume the life vest is a polyester or nylon , or some other synthetic cloth.

I found this type of sun screen to destroy brand new sunglasses, causing the plastic frame to disintegrate overnight, yes, less than a 12 hour exposure and the glasses frame fell apart! I repeated this test numerous times, same results. Fancy that, sun glasses that can be exposed to sun screen.

Interesting. I've used various kinds of sunscreen for over 50 years and continue to use it and never had any issue with it damaging paint on any car, sunglasses, clothing, upholstery, etc.

What kind of sunscreen are you referring to as I'm curious?