| deadwesty |
Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:04 pm |
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An out of state titled westy that had its door jamb vin tag painted over.
We can see chassis stamped vin number, but it had the usual three numbers with “Z” instead. Can it be used as the second vin for verification?
It also has the sticker under fuse box for paint code, etc. it shows full vin number on it. Will DMV accept that too?
Appreciate any in put. Thanks! |
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| jimf909 |
Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:57 pm |
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I'm not sure if your question can be answered by looking at CA DMV VIN verification documents but these may be helpful:
VIN verification form
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/file/verification-of-vehicle-reg-31-pdf/
Vehicle Verifier License Handbook: see page six for VIN identification which allows for: MFR label (for some imports) and Equipment List Label.
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/file/vehicle-verifier-license-handbook-ol-301-pdf/
1.165 Vehicle Verification
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/vehicle-ind...fications/
You may want to know these rules in case your verifier is not clear on them.
From my remarkably uneducated POV it looks like an untampered windshield VIN plus the sticker under the dash will have you covered. Free advice is worth what was paid for it. :wink: |
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| termuehlen |
Sat Feb 10, 2024 8:57 pm |
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| In late 2020 when Covid was in full swing, I was looking for some way to get a VIN verification for a vehicle. I contacted http://www.verifyyourvehicle.com/ and spoke with Don Pierson, who was super helpful. At the time, he said "A licensed VIN verifier requires all the stickers in place and readable to be able to verify any vehicle for titling in California." I would suggest that you give him a call or email and provide your specifics. I'm sure it won't be the first time that a VIN sticker has been painted over. |
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| hopkin |
Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:55 am |
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deadwesty wrote: An out of state titled westy that had its door jamb vin tag painted over.
We can see chassis stamped vin number, but it had the usual three numbers with “Z” instead. Can it be used as the second vin for verification?
It also has the sticker under fuse box for paint code, etc. it shows full vin number on it. Will DMV accept that too?
Appreciate any in put. Thanks!
Three "Z's" ins positions 4,5,6 of the VIN indicate a non-North American VIN has been assigned.
The configuration of the 17 digit VIN is/was different between North America and Canada and the rest of the world.
For example this chart shows VIN's assigned to Mexican built Beetles from 1993-2004.
Note the 3 "Z" used from 1993-1996 and then the switch to an NA compliant VIN in 1997. Also note that digit 9 in a North American VIN is a check digit while (in the case of this chart) it was set to '3' from 1993-1996, which is not a check digit.
The wikipedia page on VINs has more info ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_identification_number
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| djkeev |
Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:02 am |
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Look under the Drivers seat as well.
Often there is a metal plate with some VIN information on it.
Example......
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| kamzcab86 |
Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:38 am |
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hopkin wrote: Three "Z's" ins positions 4,5,6 of the VIN indicate a non-North American VIN has been assigned.
VINs outside North America, and the VINs found stamped into the chassis of all 1981-1993 (or later) North American Volkswagens, contain four "Z"s. For North American VWs, these are merely filler digits. The chassis VINs were standard issue as the vehicles rolled off the initial phase of the assembly line; the only difference between these standard-issue model-year VINs is the sequential production number. Locations outside of the USA & Canada do not require the same VIN information and, therefore, use filler digits during stamping to make the initial assembly process easier and faster.
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