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Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:24 pm

Very nice work. I'm exhausted watching this! :lol:

Sat Jan 04, 2025 3:06 am

Huetti_1989 wrote:
I am not sure if i should weld that two parts together in the car because its near impossible to bring the in the car in one piece...

-Christian

I guess they welded this large piece in position very early during the production process, before the sidepanels were fitted.

Sat Jan 04, 2025 4:30 pm

Thank! I feel the same!

Yes that parcel trau was there before the side walls ore the rear pilars.

Only details...

-Christian

Sun Jan 05, 2025 2:40 pm

No pictures of the parcel tray welded in the car for your morning coffee, sorry.

I had to fix some problems on the sidewall before, i need to think about how to do that.

So i cut out the cargo door (terrible bent if you look to
the nos pilar next to it) and start to build my first handmade lower door repair panel after i need the same time to make the repro fit on my sparsamba.

For this i make a template from my nos pilars to have a idea how the bending must fit!

I looked under the paint for the old signwriting to see where i can do the cut without destroying the letters.
Some are missing, any ideas???

-Christian

Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:15 pm

Huetti_1989 wrote: ...

I looked under the paint for the old signwriting to see where i can do the cut without destroying the letters.
Some are missing, any ideas???

-Christian

....

does it perhaps say Lebensmittel und Tabak oder Tabakwaren?

that was a common thing back in the day.

Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:27 am

Incredible progress Christian, wow!! Such a clean metal work 8)

Antoine

Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:32 pm

TRS63 wrote: Incredible progress Christian, wow!! Such a clean metal work 8)

Antoine

Thank you man!!

Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:33 pm

mandraks wrote: Huetti_1989 wrote: ...

I looked under the paint for the old signwriting to see where i can do the cut without destroying the letters.
Some are missing, any ideas???

-Christian

....

does it perhaps say Lebensmittel und Tabak oder Tabakwaren?

that was a common thing back in the day.

Good idea, i need to look at some archives to may find the former company.

Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:36 pm

Some tiny steps on the another cargo door, badly twisted, I started to build a lower door skin for this:

-Christian

Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:42 pm

3. Bezirk (Landstraße), Vienna , very close to the Arena/St. Marx where I have spent many a nights rocking and a rolling.... :D

irgendwann war i amal, vor einem Konzert, in der Landstraßer Hauptstrasse, in einem richtigen Altwiener Beisl, auf a Gulasch und a Bier... leiwaund ! 8)

Tue Jan 07, 2025 2:17 am

djfordmanjack wrote: 3. Bezirk (Landstraße), Vienna , very close to the Arena/St. Marx where I have spent many a nights rocking and a rolling.... :D

irgendwann war i amal, vor einem Konzert, in der Landstraßer Hauptstrasse, in einem richtigen Altwiener Beisl, auf a Gulasch und a Bier... leiwaund ! 8)

Idea, try to find an old telefon branchen book for the adress.
Rock´n Roll and noise pollution!

https://www.zvab.com/Adressbuch-Wien-1955-Band-Beh%C3%B6rden-Industrie/30983803054/bd

https://zdb-katalog.de/title.xhtml?idn=011375892&view=brief

https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv.at/Firmenunterlagen

Good luck!

Tue Jan 07, 2025 3:03 am

Hauptstraße 38 was a grocery store named Jilek, don't know if it still existed in the 1950s.

https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv.at/Landstra%C3%9Fer_Hauptstra%C3%9Fe

maybe that's your 52, to the right ? Hauptstraße 110-114

Tue Jan 07, 2025 5:35 am

djfordmanjack wrote: Hauptstraße 38 was a grocery store named Jilek, don't know if it still existed in the 1950s.

https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv.at/Landstra%C3%9Fer_Hauptstra%C3%9Fe

maybe that's your 52, to the right ? Hauptstraße 110-114

possibly there?

Hauptstrasse 50, 1140 Wien?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tabak+Trafik+%2F...FQAw%3D%3D

Tue Jan 07, 2025 5:40 am

no, unfortunately you hit a different district. 14th is nearly on the opposite side of Vienna. There is probably a 'Hauptstraße' ( main st.) in each district.
We are talking about 3rd. ( Wien 3), which is the Landstraßer Hauptstraße.

Tue Jan 07, 2025 3:12 pm

I searched 3 Hours today in different online books and found no Franz who owns a Lebenslittel- company in the 3rd district of vienna Landstrasser Hauptstraße =(

Today my buddy Erich bing me some nice nos doors as template to repair the ones on the 52.

The shape of the lower door varies in +/- 5mm from sill to the lower area... crazy!

I don't know what profile i should use, B-pilar, C-pilar or doors, everything different...

Put the door completely apart, found some funny little spings that hold the rods, never seen that shit before, crazy early stuff!!

-Christian

Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:09 am

djfordmanjack wrote: no, unfortunately you hit a different district. 14th is nearly on the opposite side of Vienna. There is probably a 'Hauptstraße' ( main st.) in each district.
We are talking about 3rd. ( Wien 3), which is the Landstraßer Hauptstraße.

Trying to help, to find the original location.
I´v found some tabak (tobaco) shops at Landstrasse Hauptstrasse 1 b, 29, 47-49, 68-70, 99-101, 139,

https://www.herold.at/gelbe-seiten/wien--3-landstrasse/tabaktrafik/

https://www.herold.at/gelbe-seiten/wien--3-landstrasse/lebensmittel-einzelhandel/

Hauptstrasse 26, 32, 58, 71, 111, 146, 153-155, 167,

Hope that helps...

It seems, the "Naschmarkt" is everywhere in Wien. If you are not only hungry, go there!

Wien bleibt Wien!

Thu Jan 09, 2025 12:20 am

Huetti_1989 wrote:
Today my buddy Erich bing me some nice nos doors as template to repair the ones on the 52.

The shape of the lower door varies in +/- 5mm from sill to the lower area... crazy!

I don't know what profile i should use, B-pilar, C-pilar or doors, everything different...

Maybe you could try to find a reasonable reference with the NOS parts and the doors of your friend? Since everything around the cargodoors of your bus is bend and out of shape, it's seems wise to ignore that. The cargodoor area on your 'Deutsche Bundespost' Barndoor doesn't look much better.
I'm not sure about how much different the shape of the doors and the pillars of your 'Sparsamba' are, but possibly they could provide some insights and references as well? Maybe Sgellis or someone else could help you out, and provide you some measurements from other busses.

Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:30 am

ddutch wrote: Huetti_1989 wrote:
Today my buddy Erich bing me some nice nos doors as template to repair the ones on the 52.

The shape of the lower door varies in +/- 5mm from sill to the lower area... crazy!

I don't know what profile i should use, B-pilar, C-pilar or doors, everything different...

Maybe you could try to find a reasonable reference with the NOS parts and the doors of your friend? Since everything around the cargodoors of your bus is bend and out of shape, it's seems wise to ignore that. The cargodoor area on your 'Deutsche Bundespost' Barndoor doesn't look much better.
I'm not sure about how much different the shape of the doors and the pillars of your 'Sparsamba' are, but possibly they could provide some insights and references as well? Maybe Sgellis or someone else could help you out, and provide you some measurements from other busses.

All the busses vary. My 64 has a slightly different profile from side to side and even front to back. I made a full height pattern off my 64 that is sort of an average of both sides and I will build my 54 off that pattern.

I made a drawing of the profile but needs updating to match my pattern. Will likely get to that next week. I would suggest making a pattern off a good split window at the B pillars as they are the most ridged section. Adjust it until it fits as good as possible side to side.

Thu Jan 09, 2025 7:31 am

afaik the beltline shape/cross section is different on older vs newer buses. at least at the front doors and at the b pillar.

Thu Jan 09, 2025 7:48 am

djfordmanjack wrote: afaik the beltline shape/cross section is different on older vs newer buses. at least at the front doors and at the b pillar.

I have not notice a difference but have not really checked and may be missing something. Newer doors are often used on BD so I can not see where they could be different. Very interested if there is more to this.