| airschooled |
Sun Jun 01, 2025 11:38 pm |
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The funny thing about air quality control is how many of us are alive today because of it. And there is NO way of measuring how many of us would have died without it. How many of our parents would have died without it. But sure, keep on slugging at laws that make our lives better.
Let’s ban seatbelt laws and drunk driving laws while we’re at it.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/may/2...-estimates |
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| Wildthings |
Mon Jun 02, 2025 12:07 am |
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SGKent wrote: Mike - the current technology in 49 state cars takes care of that. California cars now aren't any cleaner than the other state cars. In fact, because they cost more, and parts are more expensive, people have less money to maintain them. Most of the used and off lease cars sold here anyway come from out of state. Not to be rude, but you are off base about this issue. We are at a point where the pollutants in the dust blowing off of dry lakebeds left by all the pools and golf courses in LA is more unhealthy than all the modern cars driving around here. The forest fires that grow in size yearly as the environmentalists want to see nature take its course have put out more pollutants and CO2 out than all the efforts the US has taken to reduce emissions over the last 25 or so years. When we have fires now, they burn for months, and the sky is like Mordor. Look what happened during the wet season this year. They didn't even bother to maintain the fire hydrants or keep water in the reservoirs that supplied them. CARB sat around and let it happen. To many of us, we see them as a money generating machine for specific donors at this point. Kudos for doing their job in years past, but it was done 20 years ago.
Trump is dumb enough to want to get rid of all pollution and safety laws and take us back to Manchester, England of the early 1800 when factory workers died in their teens with only the lucky ones living long enough to father a child, while the scions of the industrial magnate died in their mid to late twenties.
One of the things that Trump did during his first term is trash a long awaited plan to upgrade the nation's power grid, he trashed it because it would have made the grid more efficient and thus LOWERING THE PRICE OF ELECTRICITY and CAUSING LESS POLLUTION, but he couldn't abide by doing something that would help the little man if it might take a penny out of the pocket of the rich. |
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| raygreenwood |
Mon Jun 02, 2025 6:02 am |
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Wildthings wrote: SGKent wrote: hopefully Trump will sign the CRA that forces 50 state compliance, and the monster CARB will end its attack on humans.
Yes what we need is 1965 era orange skies over west coast cities again with people suffering from all kinds of respiratory aliments that most of today's residents don't even know can happen to kids or to grown ups in their in the early and middle adult hood, along with salmon smolts floating bellie up as they head to sea.
This is the problem.....this "black and white" mentality. Whenever someone speaks of LIMITING.....NOT ERADICATING......the regulatory burden and overreach......the left of center immediately post pictures of 1965 air quality in LA along with pictures of the greasy black stripe in the interstate from draft tubes.....and start quoting how many died.
What the f*ck ever. Guess what? There is something way in between that and now.
We can easily go back to auto emissions equipment from the mid 2000's and it would make "0" difference. It has made "0" difference. I lived in Dallas from 1995 to 2008. The I-35 corridor from Dallas to San Antonio through Austin had the worst ozone issue in the US. Texas spent more than a decade on mandated seasonal ethanol fuel blends, rolling road enforced California style emissions testing and compliance.....and it was found that most of this had "0" positive effect.
It was found that the vast majority of pollution actually comes from the trucks plying the I35 corridor.
And still even more vehicle emissions modifications from factories are being dictated by the states/Federal and paid for by car buyers....with nothing NEW improvement wise in emissions over what we had 15 years ago to show for it.
And yet, where we were 15 years ago.....was an honest 30-40% improvement over where we were in the late 90s.
I went through and continue to go through this same bullshit in the industrial environments I work in with regard to stack emissions, compliance, regulatory overreach and the levy-ing of fines as a profit stream (when Obama defunded the EPA be stated "go out into the field and fund yourselves"....and they have).
Most people would be stunned to find out there is not a single ACCURATE PIECE of functional equipment available world wide to measure VOC based stack emissions in factories. It's all calculated based on what you buy and therefore "probably" emit :roll: ....probably.....and not what you actually emit after processing.
All Trump is positing....is that before you pass any NEW regulations.....examine and get rid of other, older regulations that are similar and controlling the same function.....if they are not actually giving a benefit.
I would ask/wonder how many people in these forums actually have to deal DIRECTLY with the EPA and states with regard to air quality on a weekly basis. I can say from my observations that it's damned few of you.
The clean air act is and was a damn fine thing. But it's been so twisted, bloated and screwed over by federal red tape and overreach that it actually prevents commerce.....and rewards non-compliance. Yes....rewards NON-COMPLIANCE. The number and level of laws and statutes for air quality insures that those who find a way to cheat instead of comply.....will win every time.
I am trying to stay non-political in posts on these forums these days....but you guys just can't do it can you? :lol:
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| EverettB |
Mon Jun 02, 2025 8:53 am |
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| I believe this has been answered and now it's a bunch of political posts so... Locked. |
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