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Jim Grease Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:31 am Post subject: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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It's pretty new to me, and so is the vintage VW world. My question: Since it has a retrofitted place for an oil filter, the kind you'd see on a modern car, do I need to disassemble the sump when I change the oil? |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76904 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:39 am Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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Pictures?
Is it a spin on or a cartridge in the sump? _________________ Glenn
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6981 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:51 am Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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Many of us have aftermarket spin on oil filters. Some are mounted separate from the engine and have have hoses (oil lines) running to them and some mount directly to the oil pump.
There’s most likely no need to disassemble anything, just drain the oil and change the filter.
What type of oil to use is a like opening a can of worms. As far as filters, you can’t go wrong with a Wix or a Napa Gold. _________________ __________
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Jim Grease Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:13 am Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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Thanks, fellas. It's a spin-on oil filter, just like you'd find in any modern car, and it's not near the sump itself. I got the oil recs from the dudes in the desert who did some transmission work after I acquired the bus, and I've changed the oil myself once, but I was just wondering how necessary sump disassembly is since it's got the updated filter. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:33 am Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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Not sure why you think anything needs to be done to the sump. _________________ Glenn
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richparker Samba Member
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Jim Grease Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:47 am Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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My bad, y'all - I'm talking about the assembly where the oil plug is, with the cardboard gasket, screen, etc. My apologies for the f'd terminology. |
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sodbuster Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:11 am Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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If the bus is "new to you" I would drop the strainer plate inspect the strainer and the inside of the plate for signs of trouble. Clean it up real good and install it back.
This is something I would think you would want to know initially with your first oil change. Then you can choose to ignore it after that if you like. I say this because my take on that sump strainer is that it keeps any large chunks of matter that get dislodged in the crankcase and will never see the exteral filter, from getting sucked into the pick up for the oil pump.
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PatJr Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:30 am Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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flame suit on
I would take the sump plate (?) off and clean or replace the screen at least once and/or every 3 or 4 oil changes. The spin on filter, get the cheaper ones and replace them every time the oil is changed or sooner. Check out Ford Boss Me on youtube or similar channels, there are a lot of videos where they cut those filters open and do some rough testing. Interesting stuff. _________________ #############################################
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W1K1 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:55 am Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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on a type 1 engine you can leave the sump plate on, and just pull the plug. check it every 2nd or 3rd oil change, it's only going to stop big particles with the mesh screen anyways, the remote oil filter will catch most everything else.
I use the short filters on mine: K&N 2004, Mobile M1-204, Wix 51068 _________________ http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:11 am Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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Avoid running SAE SF and earlier oils, particularly multigrades (none of which are readily available any more) and check and clean the oil pickup screen the first time you do an oil change. Afterward run something between a 5w30 and 15w40 synthetic and check the screen every 50-100K miles. Assuming your engine wasn't built with extremely loose tolerances, save the 20w50 for when its 115°F+ out.
Pictures of you oil filter setup and any added oil cooler would be nice. |
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germansupplyscott Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:29 am Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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On a new-to-me engine I would absolutely remove the sump plate and screen, clean, replace. You'll learn a bit about the condition of the engine and how it's been maintained. _________________ SL |
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bsairhead Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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Yes do a screen pull and clean. You might find chunks of plastic valve guide seals. Don't freak out if you do. If you find metal than you can freak. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76904 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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You never know what you'll find.
_________________ Glenn
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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Glenn wrote: |
You never know what you'll find.
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Beautiful lead sludge, don't see much of that anymore, with lead being passe for 40ish years now. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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Wildthings wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
You never know what you'll find.
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Beautiful lead sludge, don't see much of that anymore, with lead being passe for 40ish years now. |
That's the cam lobes from #1 and #3. _________________ Glenn
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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what year bus is this sump plate on? On a 1972-1979 DO NOT tighten the acorn nut to more than 9 ft lbs or it will destroy the engine. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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I think you’ve got your answer _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Jim Grease Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2023 Posts: 4 Location: AZ
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:11 am Post subject: Re: My 71 has a retrofitted oil filter... |
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Thanks very much for the info, everybody. Greatly appreciated.
Gonna embark on the oil change tomorrow a.m. Deséame suerte por favor. |
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