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outcaststudios
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crofty
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 Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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| a case study in fallacies. nobody 'just dumps' anything out, for one( the price of doing so is built into the cost ,so again, ...?). the articles you posted do not say that anywhere. so i dont know where youre getting that from. more tinfoil hat stuff honestly. given that someone somewhere IS dumping their chemicals, the rate of that is far below the amount to cause the widespread damages youre implying. nobody chromes bumpers anymore for production, when was the last new car you saw with a chrome bumper?! have you ever done plating? do you know what hexovalent chromium is? do you know how much it costs to remove and treat the waste ? do you know what you know because you 'think it may be the case' or do you empirically know it? it sounds like youve not worked in plating and do not know the trade well enough to understand,which is totally reasonable. however acting like the solution is as simple is as crazy as it gets. i tend to listen to people about tpoics they are very informed about, not emotional reactions to fear and speculation. remember the state of california belives that everything known to mankind 'causes cancer" and yet the stat still cant cure cancer. this is virtue signalling at its finest , its not reality. |
Full size and midsize trucks have chrome bumpers.
Im sure it is expensive to remove and treat the waste from plating. How would you explain the high concentrations of hexovalent chromium in areas that are currently of have been areas of plating shops?
The Alcohol argument is weak. I choose to consume alcohol knowing the risks. When i drink water i dont assume i could get cancer, asthma or something else like that. Unless i lived in detroit i guess. Maybe salad carries that risk because the water used to irrigate the crops has h chromium in it? |
my friend, you have much to discover. read the back of a balsamic vinegar label and report back. so you chose to consume things that give you cancer but thats ok? im confused. take off the tinfoil hat and go read up, you have much to find. |
I don't wear hats, i have pretty good hair. Drinking alcohol and even smoking wont give you cancer but the risk is there... knowing its there is how you make an informed choice, right? balsamic has lead in it- maybe from the soil or maybe from the distilling process. news to me. im still eating it.
"One should note however that even if a product falls under the discretionary warnings of Prop. 65, the item in question may not necessarily be harmful. The proposition is designed to alert to potentially harmful presences - even in trace quantities- not unquestionably deadly ones."
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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"One should note however that even if a product falls under the discretionary warnings of Prop. 65, the item in question may not necessarily be harmful. The proposition is designed to alert to potentially harmful presences - even in trace quantities- not unquestionably deadly ones." |
My problem with the “prop 65” warnings is that they are on damn near EVERYTHING. You can only cry “wolf” but so many times before people either stop believing it, or just don’t care anymore.
You should see the stack of MSDS labels they require a shop to keep, much less the likes of a hardware store.
At the very least, there should be levels beyond the vague ass descriptions of “might cause”, “will cause”, “known to cause”, not that I really give a shit about the warnings anymore anyway.
Shit, they oughta put a MSDS warning on the whole fucking state of California…. “Warning, this state is known to cause …”
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KTPhil 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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Wood chips for landscaping now carry a Prop 65 warning.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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I find it interesting that most people that consistently worry and even obsess about California and Californians, have never been, much less lived there. Much ado about nothing, but how else do you get subscribers ? 
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because like it or not everything that God forsaken shithole rolls out eventually makes it way much like cancer across the whole country.
go buy rattle can paint stripper that works. you can't anymore. Permatex 80577 was some DIESEL shit that worked great. it's replacement is like cat piss, just stinks and does nothing.
anyway, I'm actually surprised to hear CA still has any type of plating industry going on.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:00 am Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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| My problem with the “prop 65” warnings is that they are on damn near EVERYTHING. You can only cry “wolf” but so many times before people either stop believing it, or just don’t care anymore. |
THIS !!!
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outcaststudios
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:38 am Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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California must ban wine and salads ,since both have been known to cause cancer.
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Erik G
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:55 am Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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I find it interesting that most people that consistently worry and even obsess about California and Californians, have never been, much less lived there. Much ado about nothing, but how else do you get subscribers ?
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because like it or not everything that God forsaken shithole rolls out eventually makes it way much like cancer across the whole country.
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That is the part I'd concern myself with instead the individual issue of worrying about their chrome plating... You can't stop this in another state, but you can rally your lawmakers and start a new saying, "Don't CA my CT!"
We say don't California my Texas... but in some areas TX needs any help it can get |
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Erik G
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:56 am Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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I find it interesting that most people that consistently worry and even obsess about California and Californians, have never been, much less lived there. Much ado about nothing, but how else do you get subscribers ?
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whether someone has 'been there' or not,would not preclude them from being able to use reason and logic to form a reasonable conclusion about this topic and many others. ymmv. |
but to cause someone to go off on crazy rants... YMMV
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crofty
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:28 am Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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This doesnt fit my "California kills all the fun" narrative.
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:47 am Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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I still can't get the facts from these news stories. Conflicting narratives of "no more chrome" and "nothing has changed" and I know enough to say both are untrue.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:07 am Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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Can the trivalent option mentioned in the article can be made to be just as good as the hexi? If so it could be a win on all ends. Anybody have experience with it or others?
I agree the 65 stickers plastered all over everything hurt more than they help. Besides the obvious dollar cost and red tape, think about the physical stickers themselves. Trillions of them in landfills and who knows where else. |
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:30 am Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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| Some articles say the tri- chems do not have the same shine and look more like brushed or nickel coatings, not chrome. Still trying to separate fact from fiction. |
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outcaststudios
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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there are many easy alternatives to using it, for one you can just use straight nickel to plate, or platinum or rhodium, and it really doesnt look that much different, so for decorative plating it makes zero difference to outlaw it. aside from the cost, i think there are some coatings that require HexCr for certification, user raygreenwood would know more about this , i just use nickel, silver,973 alloys etc etc, no hex. my thing is that its disingenuous a lot of the rhetoric that gets tossed around in defense of it being banned and thats not cool either. but there is no reason at all to throw a fit about banning it for use in decorative plating period. there may be a reason in other cases since its a functional use and the law may be able to be a bit more specific about its use limiting it...
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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| Erik G wrote: |
I find it interesting that most people that consistently worry and even obsess about California and Californians, have never been, much less lived there. Much ado about nothing, but how else do you get subscribers ?
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because like it or not everything that God forsaken shithole rolls out eventually makes it way much like cancer across the whole country.
go buy rattle can paint stripper that works. you can't anymore. Permatex 80577 was some DIESEL shit that worked great. it's replacement is like cat piss, just stinks and does nothing.
anyway, I'm actually surprised to hear CA still has any type of plating industry going on. |
I do not worry about Calipornia per se....but when California decides to legislate new EPA laws.....it is a lot of other peoples business....because outside of California....17 other states to date have adopted...legislatively...CA vehicle emission standards. Not because it was always the best program to adopt for their needs but because it was simpler and cost less than doing their own studies.
These are the 17 states:
New York
Massachusetts
Vermont
Maine
Pennsylvania
Connecticut
Rhode Island
Washington
Oregon
New Jersey
Maryland
Delaware
Colorado
Minnesota
About a dozen other states have adopted segments of CA vehicle emission legislation pertaining to certain types of vehicles.
Also, if you are in states that have a range of federal contract industries.....these states and cities get forced to follow other aspects of CA EPA/air quality and clean air act laws.
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heimlich
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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Someone else watches Leto. He explains very well.
Banning it will only create more problems. Prices are already high for chrome plating. As they go higher a guy in his back yard will start doing it and dump the waste down the drain.
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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Someone else watches Leto. He explains very well.
Banning it will only create more problems. Prices are already high for chrome plating. As they go higher a guy in his back yard will start doing it and dump the waste down the drain. |
California legislators never understand this inescapable logic. At the risk of getting political, this also affects debates/laws on guns and abortion. Not debating those here, just pointing out the forgotten effect of human nature when mistakenly believing making a law in some faraway building is the last word. |
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heimlich
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: California proposes to ban chrome plating |
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Someone else watches Leto. He explains very well.
Banning it will only create more problems. Prices are already high for chrome plating. As they go higher a guy in his back yard will start doing it and dump the waste down the drain. |
California legislators never understand this inescapable logic. At the risk of getting political, this also affects debates/laws on guns and abortion. Not debating those here, just pointing out the forgotten effect of human nature when mistakenly believing making a law in some faraway building is the last word. |
I sometimes think they like to create Unintended Consequences. It creates more work for the legislators so people think they actually do something.
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