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brettsvw Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2007 Posts: 2145 Location: Florida
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SunburntLobster Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2020 Posts: 20 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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As long as the patina is 'safe' and roadworthy all is good.
my bus has a decent coating of Owatrol Rust Prevention and Paint Conditioner, it floods into all the pores and drives moisture / air out. |
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andre b Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2004 Posts: 806 Location: San Jose C.A.
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:57 am Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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the word patina got way to carried away.
in my eyes patina on a car is sun backed where original paint is fading down to original primers and sealers, with some surface rust. and please no clears cotes to save the patina.lol
on the other note..ive striped back lots of layers on cars to reveal the original paint, sometimes the original paint is well preserved under layers of paint, but most of the time its sanded and prepped for a repaint, so that being said you can rock that look ,but its not patina,,its just a ratty cool bus now. |
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andre b Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2004 Posts: 806 Location: San Jose C.A.
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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andre b wrote: |
the word patina got way to carried away.
in my eyes patina on a car is sun backed where original paint is fading down to original primers and sealers, with some surface rust. and please no clears cotes to save the patina.lol
on the other note..ive striped back lots of layers on cars to reveal the original paint, sometimes the original paint is well preserved under layers of paint, but most of the time its sanded and prepped for a repaint, so that being said you can rock that look ,but its not patina,,its just a ratty cool bus now. |
example, not patina, cool ratty
1959 kombi swivel seat im peeling back.
patina,
1953 kombi
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scottyrocks Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2016 Posts: 2666 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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If it's a combination of og paint and oxidized brown stuff that I like, it's patina. If it's a combination of og paint and oxidized brown stuff that I don't like, it's rusty. _________________ “If you care for a thing long enough, it takes on a life of its own, doesn't it? Mending old things, preserving them, looking after them – on some level there's no rational grounds for it.”
– D. Tartt, 'The Goldfinch' |
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mdege Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2018 Posts: 940 Location: Niederkruechten, Germany
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Daddybus Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2000 Posts: 1653
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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An old picture of the Daddybus...the roof patina is more pronounced now
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mg50 Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2022 Posts: 648 Location: Southeast
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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I'm new to the the whole patina thing but I picked up this used book the other day. While it's not my thing, I have to say, for subtle colors and originality, nature is indeed a great painter.
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DadaCheese Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Richmond, CA
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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Ah; patina...
I am certainly of the camp that folks should do as they wish with their buses.
I do, personally, shed a tear when I see franken-buses made from otherwise salvageable buses, but I'm not going to stop anyone from doing what they want with their car, and the variety of looks of buses always fascinates me.
Our bus had plenty of cancerous roof rust that it had acquired during the 1980's.
When it finally became a reality to have our bus as a daily driver again (after being stored for years while we lived in apartments in San Francisco), I addressed the roof (for quite a pretty penny) so that the Bay Area's salt air wouldn't further the problem.
However; there's plenty of other rusty parts, there's even some bondo from the 1980's, primer too, AS WELL AS areas of OG paint.
The blemishes of the past don't look so nice to me, and yet, I am sure the markings give our bus the character it has.
When Greenlight came out with the following bug, I bought one as soon as I saw it thinking; "Finally! A realistic looking bug toy!"
I'll admit that I still dream of having our bus look off-the-assembly-line pristine again, but I just can't afford that...
Other VW owners have told me that if I did have it done, I wouldn't want to drive it 'cause it'd be so unblemished in appearance.
I disagree.
I think I'd drive as much, it not more, since it'd have ANOTHER 55 years of wear and tear to acquire.
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I'm glad the rat rod, and patina, and "OG" scene developed. The barrier to entry into the hobby is much lower, and a cool ride is much more accessible to anyone willing to turn a wrench. |
Buggeee makes an excellent point. I appreciate that 'kids today' can have a classic car and not break the bank to participate in the VW culture. _________________ ----------------------------------------------------------
Dada as in dadaism.
Cheese as in the stuff I love to eat. |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 24120 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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broozebrothers wrote: |
This whole Original paint patina thing has gotten outta hand .. I see cars that have been stripped of layers of repaints to put back to First paint that just look like crap and guys are like, “it’s original paint.“ Come on, it’s one thing if you have a survivor bus that has never been painted but many of these strip downs look like crap. And then they want to ask crazy prices like if the bus had a proper restoration or if it a nice survivor bus And the ones that are rusty hulks, that’s a whole other rant. So where should you draw the line? Sometimes original paint isn’t a good thing in my opinion. Sometime you just gotta let it go and paint the thing. |
I think what boozebrothers was referring to would be something more like this.
_________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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Emeraldlion Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2005 Posts: 743 Location: Texarkana, TX
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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Man, the way I see it, I'm glad to see any VW out in the wild. For a while the super sparkly paint jobs were starting to be a dime a dozen. Patina is almost always unique to the vehicle, even if it was a "forced" or created patina.
Like some have said, paint and body work are super expensive, so I am glad some choose to roll it like it is even if I do feel like I'll get tetanus just walking by. Part of the VW thrill right? _________________ 1967 Sunroof Beetle: tourist pass car
1961 SWR Kombi |
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AS350driver Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2016 Posts: 1340 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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Blue Baron wrote: |
broozebrothers wrote: |
This whole Original paint patina thing has gotten outta hand .. I see cars that have been stripped of layers of repaints to put back to First paint that just look like crap and guys are like, “it’s original paint.“ Come on, it’s one thing if you have a survivor bus that has never been painted but many of these strip downs look like crap. And then they want to ask crazy prices like if the bus had a proper restoration or if it a nice survivor bus And the ones that are rusty hulks, that’s a whole other rant. So where should you draw the line? Sometimes original paint isn’t a good thing in my opinion. Sometime you just gotta let it go and paint the thing. |
I think what boozebrothers was referring to would be something more like this.
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Yeah, that one is too much. Needs painted or at least some easyoff and steel wool on the sides and new nose metal and the nose painted. |
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70bus Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2004 Posts: 575 Location: P.O.
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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My 65 is nearly that bad (and the 70 getting there), but even I draw the line at crap falling off when parked. _________________ Craig K
70 Neunsitzer
65 Pritschenwagen
"If Von Dutch was alive, he'd walk in there with a pistol and shoot these people."
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bigdirt09 Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2015 Posts: 90 Location: PEI Canada
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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Here’s an original patina logo bus. From 1960.
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splitbus.nl Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2007 Posts: 45 Location: Holland (Netherlands)
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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more work than shine paint .
called it "ratina "
70% original Patina |
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20278 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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^^^ Nice truck. Is that a custom bike or can one be bought looking like that? Electric? _________________ nothing |
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splitbus.nl Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2007 Posts: 45 Location: Holland (Netherlands)
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:48 am Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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it,s a electric bike
Rayvolt cruiser.
you can buy it 99% looking like that
ride,s like the best
https://rayvoltbike.com/ |
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localboy Samba Longboarder
Joined: December 06, 2003 Posts: 5153 Location: "Mainland", PNW
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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Original paint is one thing. Rotting away cancer, aka rust, is another. I’ve seen VWs driving down the road and quite literally, falling apart…piece by rusted piece. Some unsafe and quite illegal. That doesn’t impress me. _________________ One man's "patina" is another man's cancer...
Black '65 Resto-Custom S Notch 2110 cc powered
original paint Pearl White '66 Westy SO-42
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KWZ Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2004 Posts: 1341 Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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localboy wrote: |
Original paint is one thing. Rotting away cancer, aka rust, is another. I’ve seen VWs driving down the road and quite literally, falling apart…piece by rusted piece. Some unsafe and quite illegal. That doesn’t impress me. |
Totally agree. I am not into the "looks like it broke off the Titanic" look. At some point it gets stupid. I personally don't like having any perforation rust. I have a few holes in my '65 Westy that make me batshit. _________________ '57 sunroof Standard
'63 15 window
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localboy Samba Longboarder
Joined: December 06, 2003 Posts: 5153 Location: "Mainland", PNW
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Patina —- where should we finally draw the line ? |
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KWZ wrote: |
I am not into the "looks like it broke off the Titanic" look. At some point it gets stupid. I personally don't like having any perforation rust. I have a few holes in my '65 Westy that make me batshit. |
I saw an oval so rotten the doors would fall off if opened and the pan was so trashed it was dangerous. The guy sat on a wooden bench to drive. Yet he thought he had the most bad ass VW the world had ever seen. There are some awesome OG paint or logo’d busses out there, some pictured in this thread. But when the metal itself is gone, it’s lazy, cheap or flat out dangerous. Not cool. _________________ One man's "patina" is another man's cancer...
Black '65 Resto-Custom S Notch 2110 cc powered
original paint Pearl White '66 Westy SO-42
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