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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

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I've found 7 plus 2 zwitters. Any more anyone?

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That is my old 11E. In California since 2018 and very close to getting paint now. It is in the right hands and will an absolute top notch resto AND it will be DRIVEN.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

BTW, back when I had it, I could only find 5 others. Very rare split.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

Hello.
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For the record, as far as I can tell the original colour for BAoR cars was MID BRONZE GREEN BS223. Also used on the early land rovers.


A question.
By the birth certificate L13(Middle Green).
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=1073509
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A photograph before the restore. Fade?
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A color of the existing BAoR car is dark Green.
Is "MID BRONZE GREEN BS223" a color same as "L13"?
https://paintman.co.uk/shop/mid-bronze-green-bs223-standard-colour/

The restore which I succeeded from sinclair.
I am going to look for it where in Body an original color remains.

Light green? Dark green? Interesting Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

“By the birth certificate L13(Middle Green). “
Yes but the certificates are notoriously wrong. Middle green L13 is very different, but I the nearest in name on the ‘52 factory paint list. The photo you have there is from its war games days, but there was some original paint on the roof, which first alerted me to the cars history.
Interestingly option M003 is now recognised as ignition delete by the factory.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:07 am    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

Original paint exposed on the left of roof.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

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Original paint exposed on the left of roof.


When I tear off the painting, I confirm it.

sinclair wrote:
Interestingly option M003 is now recognised as ignition delete by the factory.


Yes. lovely Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:15 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

Previous M-code 003 discussion in the Forums
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=381528

You posted this
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This M-code 003 description is for a Type 3
It is a mistake for a 1951 Beetle
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

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Here's another, British army Zwitter by the look of it. Anyone know it?

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Were they ever that shiny?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:43 am    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

Yes. Gloss paint used by the 50’s.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:11 am    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

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what's that boss on the steering wheel for?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

I've been trying to collect anecdotes from British veterans stationed in Germany at the Time. It may be of interest to BAoR car owners so Ill post them here as I get them. A couple to start with.

"Back in the late 60s when stationed in Verden-Aller I was a third part owner of a 1949 split rear screen, recall a scrap yard with several RHD former German Post Beetles with only a drivers seat, so ideal to jump on to pavement for deliveries/collections, they were in a very sorry state!"

"As a child I was in Germany in the early 50s. My father was clerk of works in the REs so we were attached to a number of regiment s over that time. East Surreys, Brunswick, 12 Royal Lancers Wolfenbuttel and subsequently Hannover before moving to the Hook of Holland. All during the time in Germany my father had a German driver who used to appear every day in the same model of VW as your picture shows. Split rear windscreen givaway. My guess is there was a transport pool where the factory delivered to and then they were dispatched to various places/regiments. I can remember being in the back of one and being worried about going around corners too fast as the rear swing axle suspension would have you off the road unexpectedly..."


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

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Yes. Gloss paint used by the 50’s.


Yes but THAT shiny?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

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I've been trying to collect anecdotes from British veterans stationed in Germany at the Time. It may be of interest to BAoR car owners so Ill post them here as I get them. A couple to start with.
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Very cool stories! Keep them coming.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:43 am    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

And two more.

Yes 17 RVD supplied new & used vehicles to units throughout BAOR and there were hundreds of those little VW Beetles there.
Engine in the back, no fuel guage and a bloody awful gearbox.

Was 17 Base Vehicle Depot the main supplier of new vehicles to all BAOR units?
From my memory of 1951-1952 Munchengladbach was where we collected our Bedford trucks, I did not go there.
Did this unit also handle the Volkswagens; our Major had a VW and we seemed to have a new one about every 6 months, at that time the German people could not buy a new one, so the Army had them first and then sold second hand to Germans. [After a repaint!!!]
Those early VW models suspension was not the best, a bit unstable on corners.
Our unit wrote one off when a chair "flew" out of a top floor window landing onto the roof, a dasty dent.

Good times,
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 8:53 am    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

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sinclair wrote:
Yes. Gloss paint used by the 50’s.

Yes but THAT shiny?


this looks quite shiny to me and the sarg' would want to see his face in it - oi! get yer muddy boot off that bumper lad!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

The 51 BAOR model I have, has plenty of the original paint in places, like under the headlining, and yes, it's surprisingly shiny. Not a mirror finish, but not too far off, even after all of these years. We tend to think of military vehicles as being matt, or semi-matt, but these weren't being used under conflict situations, and so need for that.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:58 am    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

For those on social media (I’m no expert) we now have a Facebook page for ease of access.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:59 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: How many Split 11E cars remain? (Standard sunroof LHD) Reply with quote

Another memory from the BAoR.
“ We used to have these VWs in the vehicle pool in BAOR,you could hire them out,with driver,for 6p(yes SIXPENCE)a day.Some of the kids in my Regt were born in the back of these on their long trips to BMH Hannover!
And I was the proud owner of one of these VWs with the split rear window,I bought it with 171,000KMs on the clock,when I traded it in in UK for a new VW it had done a total of just under 300,000kms,and in the time I had it the only repair was one spark plug went kaputt.Wish I had kept the old one in preservation,would be worth a bit today!
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