Blankity blankin' fuel pump.

[raygreenwood]

[tjmartin317]

So it's tank to filter and filter to pump? Radical! Whether plastic or metal, I'm 99% certain this thing will need a new filter anyways. Know any good replacement ones (preferably that I can get from Napa or some other name-brand parts store)?

[tjmartin317]

Stupid question incoming: redoing the fuel system and I have a 25 foot spindle of 5/16th FI hose from autozone priced at like $80. They also offer 3/8th regular fuel hose at half the cost.

Question number one is what's the difference between FI fuel hoses and regular fuel hoses.

Second question is whether or not there are cheaper alternatives than getting $80 worth of fuel lines.

I'll put on my dunce hat now if you'd like

[Bobnotch]

[tjmartin317]

[raygreenwood]

Thi is what I see for clamps in the stock type 3 or 4 system with three port pump. Let me know if I missed anything please.

1. tank outlet clamp
2. filter in clamp
3. filter out clamp
4. pump in clamp
5. pump out clamp
6. inlet to damper clamp
7. outlet from damper clamp
8. pump return nipple on pump clamp
9. pump return to "Y" fitting clamp
10. Y fitting outlet clamp
11. tank inlet clamp for return.
11. inlet to body steel line clamp
12. outlet from body steel line clamp
13. rail 1/2 clamp
14. injector 1 inlet clamp
15. injector 2 inlet clamp
16. injector 1 nipple clamp
17. injector 2 nipple clamp
18. rail 1/2 out clamp
19. cold start in clamp
20. cold start out clamp
21. rail 3/4 inlet clamp
22. injector 4 inlet clamp
23. injector 3 inlet clamp
24. injector 4 nipple clamp
25. injector 3 nipple clamp
26. rail 3/4 out clamp
27. fuel pressure regulator in clamp
28. Fuel pressure regulator out clamp
29. steel return line inlet clamp
30. steel return line outlet clamp
31. return to "Y" fitting clamp

Ray

[tjmartin317]

[raygreenwood]

[Bobnotch]

[Adriel Rowley]

Bus Depot sells ABA clamps, stainless steel, size 13 just fits a 5/16"/7,9mm hose. Come in a pack of ten, so if going all new, buy four and put one in the onboard kit. I like they take a 7mm hex, Philips, or flat head. Hope this helps.
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[blues90]

2 years ago I replaced all the engine fuel hose with Gates Barricade FI hose and from the engine to the pressure and return metal pipes at the rear for the tunnel. I used the proper FI clamps. When I replaced the fuel pump at the end of 2017 I only replaced the return line because the original pump had the Y fitting. Then I replaced the fuel filter and a new hose from the filter to the pump inlet. Also the pump outlet to the damper. The rest are old. I have enough Gates hose and FL clamps and a new Wix plastic 5/16" barb filter.

( I have a new auto zone plastic like the one on the car now yet it has all sorts of flash on the in and out and even where the white out top is fitted & a Carquest brand I got from O'reilly & a metal auto zone one which is well made outside but inside the filter media is only half the filters length and the element is way off center.) Point is the Wix brand is by far the best made one. Auto zone Duralast quality has dropped way down.

I found a plastic 5 gallon gas can looks like new someone placed where our trash cans are, Midwest brand , don't like the new no vent and odd spout, yet it will work to drain my tank. Also got a siphon pump with a check valve and it's clear 5/16" line so if it works I can use this to drain the tank without sucking on a hose and since the siphon pump line is 5/16" I can use one of the cheap fuel filters to drain ir fill the tanks ,as long as the tank is less than 1/2 full to gas can is large enough.

I also got these. https://www.dormanproducts.com/p-101552-800-783.aspx?origin=keyword#mz-expanded-view-1019937110909. so I can make the Gates hose and fuel hose routing more compact also in because the Gates FI hose does not slide over barb fittings like the regular Goodyear 5/16" ID hose does , I doubt it will slide over the 2 port pump quick disconnect rings.

I had the engine running and see no fuel leaks under the tank or lines and I checked and the fuel pump check valve is holding and have a new FPR on it which helped a lot. I don't need to prime the system nearly as long or cycle the key and pump the gas 2 to 3 times and still half the time it would quit running. It sat a week and I just used the prime switch for 30 seconds and it fired right up . if I let it sit for a day it takes 10 seconds to get the air out. The FPR is less than a month old. Nothing worst than getting a gas bath trying to replace the tank lines , it always runs down the arms.

I had them leak decades ago found fuel all over the garage floor yet at that time I still worked for Ford and had a hoist and one of those crank operated gas buggies to empty the tank was very easy.

[VenturaRichard]

This is a great thread. Thanks for all the help and advice. I'm off to find a pump with good hose connectors at a reasonable price for my '71 F.I. Squareback.
Richard

[Bobnotch]

[VenturaRichard]

Hi Bob, Yeah I've been doing searches on ebay and at Auto Zone, Napa and O'Reillys with mixed results. There's even a seller here with a Bosch.
Thanks for your help.
Richard

[VenturaRichard]

Here's a quick summary of online search results for a new, '87 Ford Ranger, or Airtex E2000, inline, external, fuel pump, starting with cheapest. I'm not promoting anything. It's just information on what I found.

1. Wholesaler 1 (Torrence CA), Drivemotive, item #231848283749 with molding, 2 prong electrical connector, 37 gph, and what looks like the 2 quick connectors for $37.88, shipped in 4 days. (Couldn't tell me if it is neg. ground or psi rating).
2. Seller 2 (Gardner KS), looks the same, 72-125 psi, shipped 4 days, $37.89.
3. Auto Zone, TruGrade Spectra Premium universal, part # A1155EP, 12 v, neg. ground, 45-65 psi, 35gph, 4 hose clamps, 2 mounting straps, 4 bolts, 2 male brass hose connectors, $126.99, shipped.
4. O'Reilly, Precision, part # E16098, 40-70psi, 2 straps, 1 electrical fitting, $134.99 shipped to store in 1 day, must buy filter too.

Haven't decided yet. Richard

[Bobnotch]

Like I said, I like to buy local in case I have a problem with it. In 1 case I bought a new Precision pump from O'Reilly's and it leaked fuel from the body of the pump. Took it back and they told me where the next nearest one was in stock (14 miles away), and had them put it on hold and went and got it, so I could finish the job. The mail service while cheaper can be a a problem if you have a problem (they don't like boxes that smell of gasoline). Just my take on it. You could try Summit or Jegs, since you have an idea of the pumps capacities too.
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[VenturaRichard]

[raygreenwood]

[VenturaRichard]

Ray,
Yes, I can see that we should want a check valve on the pump discharge to hold fuel pressure or the engine would be hard to start and we couldn't check for leak down. I didn't see any pumps in my online "E2000 replacement" searches that said they had check valves on them. A barbed hose fitting with a check valve sounds like a good idea. Guess I'll do some more searching.
Thanks, Richard

[VenturaRichard]

After checking further and looking at detailed drawings, I confirmed with a seller that I can order a pump with a check valve included. So that's the one I ordered from seller #2 listed above, in Kansas.