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doug bugg Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2003 Posts: 349 Location: Minneapolis
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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Strange post. Hypothetically. _________________ "Knowledge is Good" - Faber College |
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7840 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:34 am Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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...and VW get in the news again, for the wrong reasons
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...91433.html _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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Onceler Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2010 Posts: 1646 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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My only 2 experiences with stolen vehicles happened to co-workers
The first was probably ~15 years ago. My co-workers garage was broken into by pushing the top of his overhead door in and releasing the latch. Then they proceeded to load his truck that was parked inside, with his buddy's tools and all his tools. About a week later as I was driving to work I noticed his truck in a gravel lot. He called the police and they're response was "it wasn't your truck". 2 weeks later I still saw the truck sitting in the same spot. I made it clear that I knew this was his truck. This time he actually went to the site and called the police while he was standing next to his truck. When they arrived, the officer said "well, you can take it home."
The next incident was just a couple weeks ago. Another co-worker had his son's car stolen from his driveway. They live kind of rural, so the keys were left in it of course. A couple months go by and his son identifies some parts being sold on Facebook marketplace that belonged to him. So my co-worker is friends with the sheriff deputy in his small town who contacts the police in the city where the parts are being sold. Anyway it turns out that the guy with the stolen parts had already sold the drivetrain and had the remainder of the car crushed. But between the time the car was stolen and then the parts found, the car had received numerous parking tickets, had been driven around with fake tags, and had been impounded at the city impound lot. But the police never bothered to check if it was stolen.
So basically, I have no faith that the police (at least in my location) will make any extra effort or any effort at all to recover a stolen vehicle even if I could provide GPS coordinates of its location. _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7840 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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Onceler wrote: |
Another co-worker had his son's car stolen from his driveway. They live kind of rural, so the keys were left in it of course. |
so did the insurance company accept these 'rural ways' or did they refuse to pay out? _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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Onceler Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2010 Posts: 1646 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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finster wrote: |
Onceler wrote: |
Another co-worker had his son's car stolen from his driveway. They live kind of rural, so the keys were left in it of course. |
so did the insurance company accept these 'rural ways' or did they refuse to pay out? |
His insurance did pay, however, not enough to buy a comparable car due to the used car market _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13247 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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just this week
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2023/03/29/stolen-...olice-say/
Not sure how this will play out. In my mind it's the same as chasing down a horse thief, that is your property and you have a right to defend and protect it from being taken (in Texas). I might further argue that the thief in control of the truck could use the truck as a deadly weapon.
I'm not so sure I buy the " I know it's frustrating but wait for Police" part. I don't think they care to do anything, I think they just consider it an insurance issue, same reason they no longer write crash reports or do any investigating unless their is a fatality involved. I also know killing someone aint easy and the shooter will at the very least have some PTSD issues the rest of their life. |
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4164 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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Erik G wrote: |
just this week
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2023/03/29/stolen-...olice-say/
Not sure how this will play out. In my mind it's the same as chasing down a horse thief, that is your property and you have a right to defend and protect it from being taken (in Texas). I might further argue that the thief in control of the truck could use the truck as a deadly weapon.
I'm not so sure I buy the " I know it's frustrating but wait for Police" part. I don't think they care to do anything, I think they just consider it an insurance issue, same reason they no longer write crash reports or do any investigating unless their is a fatality involved. I also know killing someone aint easy and the shooter will at the very least have some PTSD issues the rest of their life. |
The laws have tipped in favor of criminals lately. and unscrupulous attorneys will defend them. I feel for the old school police officers, because everything they did in the past is now illegal or offensive to certain groups. So they can't do much. I hope the victims get a good attorney and they get the legal defense they deserve, as they were only protecting themselves and their property. SeaLandAir, sound better and better every day. _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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Erik G wrote: |
just this week
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2023/03/29/stolen-...olice-say/
Not sure how this will play out. In my mind it's the same as chasing down a horse thief, that is your property and you have a right to defend and protect it from being taken (in Texas). I might further argue that the thief in control of the truck could use the truck as a deadly weapon.
I'm not so sure I buy the " I know it's frustrating but wait for Police" part. I don't think they care to do anything, I think they just consider it an insurance issue, same reason they no longer write crash reports or do any investigating unless their is a fatality involved. I also know killing someone aint easy and the shooter will at the very least have some PTSD issues the rest of their life. |
If the shooter/owner reasonably believed the perp had a weapon, he was within his rights. It doesn't matter whether the perp in fact did have one or not. It's the reasonable belief by the shooter, and is therefore legitimate self-defense.
This is probably the law in Texas; California, not so much...
Also an issue is the use of deadly force to protect property. Most states only allow use of deadly force if you or someone else is in imminent danger of death or significant bodily injury. But last time I checked, Texas allows it for property defense, too.
This is the criminal aspect. Civilly, the perp's family can sue (though maybe not win) for anything. |
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Malokin Martin Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2007 Posts: 3093 Location: E-burg
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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Lojack is a fair option and it works with the police. It alerts your phone if the car moves without the fob. And with the push of a button, the cops are notified and connected to its location. I’ve been reasonably satisfied with their service in the past. Like anything else in life: if you spend money on something, the end product is usually better.
With an off-brand GPS it’s just you with a shotgun and your dick in your hand pretending to be the hero.
With a dedicated company it’s just push the button and have Johnny Law held accountable to get your stuff back.
Having a tech replace the battery IS kind of annoying though. Also, it’s laughable that they make the location “secret even to the owner” as there’s only so many places to hide a toaster in what is essentially a panel van. I’m constantly taking shit apart that breaks (as we all do) and found it within a day. |
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13247 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:34 am Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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Malokin Martin wrote: |
Lojack is a fair option and it works with the police. It alerts your phone if the car moves without the fob. And with the push of a button, the cops are notified and connected to its location. I’ve been reasonably satisfied with their service in the past. Like anything else in life: if you spend money on something, the end product is usually better.
With an off-brand GPS it’s just you with a shotgun and your dick in your hand pretending to be the hero.
With a dedicated company it’s just push the button and have Johnny Law held accountable to get your stuff back.
Having a tech replace the battery IS kind of annoying though. Also, it’s laughable that they make the location “secret even to the owner” as there’s only so many places to hide a toaster in what is essentially a panel van. I’m constantly taking shit apart that breaks (as we all do) and found it within a day. |
I somewhat agree with the shotgun statement, the problem with LoJack in a big city is getting the police to respond in the first place. Many people here complain that lojack is only in some cop cars, not all. It has to be someone in the autotheft task force. It can take hours for them to respond and in the meantime, like you said, discovered and removed before the police could track it. Police treat it as an insurance issue.
There is a device we know works locally, ravelco. It will take a tow truck to steal a car/truck with ravelco installed.
https://www.ravelco.com/
There is a small battery powered GPS ping device that only pings 2x a day in order to make the battery last 3-5 years. magnetic and small.
https://gpsandtrack.com/equipment-gps-tracker/
I wouldnt install anything wired to the car, this might be the ticket at $250 with no subscription fees _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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Onceler Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2010 Posts: 1646 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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I read somewhere that maybe calling in a carjacking and armed assault might be a way to avoid having to play hero if you use a gps tracker _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22575 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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Onceler wrote: |
I read somewhere that maybe calling in a carjacking and armed assault might be a way to avoid having to play hero if you use a gps tracker |
I’ve read somewhere else that filing a false police report is poorly received.
Going somewhere to recover stolen property with a firearm isn’t heroic, it’s dumbfuddery _________________ .ssS! |
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Onceler Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2010 Posts: 1646 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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Abscate wrote: |
Onceler wrote: |
I read somewhere that maybe calling in a carjacking and armed assault might be a way to avoid having to play hero if you use a gps tracker |
I’ve read somewhere else that filing a false police report is poorly received.
Going somewhere to recover stolen property with a firearm isn’t heroic, it’s dumbfuddery |
True, but the guys already a car thief in possession of a stolen car and most likely has other priors, so who are they most likely to believe? _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69738 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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Onceler wrote: |
Abscate wrote: |
Onceler wrote: |
I read somewhere that maybe calling in a carjacking and armed assault might be a way to avoid having to play hero if you use a gps tracker |
I’ve read somewhere else that filing a false police report is poorly received.
Going somewhere to recover stolen property with a firearm isn’t heroic, it’s dumbfuddery |
True, but the guys already a car thief in possession of a stolen car and most likely has other priors, so who are they most likely to believe? |
This isn't how it works - they can choose to charge both of you. _________________ How to Post Photos
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blue72beetle Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2008 Posts: 846 Location: Fort Wayne, IN
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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I'll be the only honest one here. I'd go vigilante. _________________ -Andy-
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Big Bull Shooter Samba Member
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Onceler Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2010 Posts: 1646 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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EverettB wrote: |
Onceler wrote: |
Abscate wrote: |
Onceler wrote: |
I read somewhere that maybe calling in a carjacking and armed assault might be a way to avoid having to play hero if you use a gps tracker |
I’ve read somewhere else that filing a false police report is poorly received.
Going somewhere to recover stolen property with a firearm isn’t heroic, it’s dumbfuddery |
True, but the guys already a car thief in possession of a stolen car and most likely has other priors, so who are they most likely to believe? |
This isn't how it works - they can choose to charge both of you. |
Possibly only a misdemeanor? I’m good with that. I wonder what the charge is if I report I am armed and going to go get my vehicle back? _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4164 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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Onceler wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
Onceler wrote: |
Abscate wrote: |
Onceler wrote: |
I read somewhere that maybe calling in a carjacking and armed assault might be a way to avoid having to play hero if you use a gps tracker |
I’ve read somewhere else that filing a false police report is poorly received.
Going somewhere to recover stolen property with a firearm isn’t heroic, it’s dumbfuddery |
True, but the guys already a car thief in possession of a stolen car and most likely has other priors, so who are they most likely to believe? |
This isn't how it works - they can choose to charge both of you. |
Possibly only a misdemeanor? I’m good with that. I wonder what the charge is if I report I am armed and going to go get my vehicle back? |
without getting political. But the new "progressive" thinking has decriminalized many crimes.
Before, this was the definition of a crime.
PENAL CODE - PEN
PRELIMINARY PROVISIONS ( Preliminary Provisions enacted 1872. )
15.
A crime or public offense is an act committed or omitted in violation of a law forbidding or commanding it, and to which is annexed, upon conviction, either of the following punishments:
1. Death;
2. Imprisonment;
3. Fine;
4. Removal from office; or,
5. Disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit in this State.
Now, They get to pick and choose what is a crime and not. _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12820 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13247 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen vehicle tracking and recovery hypothetical |
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fantastic reading comprehension. Post a story about a guy using an apple air tag, and two people afterwards post the same thing. Classic Samba crowd, I tell you what. All mouth no ears... well, I guess all fingers no eyes is more fitting. _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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