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74 Thing Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2004 Posts: 7391
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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Does Ed's grind, polish and balance aircooled VW crankshafts? |
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Brian_e Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2009 Posts: 3284 Location: Rapid City, SD
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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74 Thing wrote: |
Does Ed's grind, polish and balance aircooled VW crankshafts? |
Apparently he can't cause "You can't just go to any crank shop and get a grind."
I have never seen a crank grinding machine that is manufacturer specific. Same theory on all cranks. Lots of V8 machine guys don't want to do VW's, but that is a different issue.
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6595 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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74 Thing wrote: |
Does Ed's grind, polish and balance aircooled VW crankshafts? |
I've heard good things about DPR: https://dprmachine.com/products/crankshafts-type-i/ _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2387 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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SBD wrote: |
MOFOCO sells stock type replacement heads that are cast and machined in the U.S.A. Not sure where their springs, seats, and valves are manufactured. |
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SBD Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2012 Posts: 3269 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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Forgot about the guides. Not sure where they come from either. _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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AlteWagen Troll
Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8501 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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APPLEGREENVW wrote: |
SBD wrote: |
MOFOCO sells stock type replacement heads that are cast and machined in the U.S.A. Not sure where their springs, seats, and valves are manufactured. |
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Glad Im not the one who brought this up!!! Doesnt matter where the hardware is from if you cant install it correctly.
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USA parts can be shit just as easy. Brian |
I fully agree.
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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74 Thing wrote: |
Does Ed's grind, polish and balance aircooled VW crankshafts? |
Yes. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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94touring Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2020 Posts: 313 Location: Oklahoma - OK
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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I wouldn't buy from Mofoco, that is unless you like waiting a year for heads and not getting a refund when you ask for one. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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Clatter wrote: |
I spent a lot of time discussing crankshafts with Ed in Newark yesterday.
He’s NOT the fan of China cranks that everyone here is.
Not so much the common errors dimensionally,
His issue is with the metallurgy.
People today just don’t do the miles they used to,
So the problems don’t appear soon, if at all. |
4140 is soft & not nitrided, and probably clogs his rock.
4340 is harder as well as nitirded.
the reason why I first went to after market cranks was the first vw I built I was balancing the crank and when I went to drill it it drilled like aluminum.....oh so soft. I finished balancing it, 8doweled it and threw it on the shelf and ordered a stroker scat crank.I have never used a stock vw crank in anything...and donut intend to either. I also donut use the 4140 soft cranks. |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26785 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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I've seen some 4140 cranks hold up great and others don't, I guess like everything else it's not so simple as what number the steel has, which is not really true anyway, metric steels don't conform to american numbers.
Harder is not always better.
The "toughest" way to make a crank is still mild vanadium steel with a tuftrided surface.
If a chevy duramax could use a 4340 china crank they would have gone ahead and done that. Honda knows, ford knows, berg figure it out, VW knew, everybody knows, except mark tucker apparently, who likes his china cranks extra hard.
But the better the steel is the harder it CAN be, without cracking, so real good cranks can be moderately hard. |
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Vanagonsgoslow Samba Member
Joined: April 18, 2019 Posts: 82 Location: E Dorado Hills, CA
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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The computers and iPhones/SmartPhones people are using to look at this topic are ALL made in China. Kind of ironic, don't you think? |
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Stripped66 Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2005 Posts: 3470 Location: Charleston, SC
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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APPLEGREENVW wrote: |
Look for NOS parts in the classifieds. |
^^^This^^^
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Bodacious wrote: |
Why not just make a custom set of wires with a Y splice in them. Then you could just run one distributor. |
I don't think electrickery works that way |
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Bonesberg55 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 1270
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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Chinese parts are fine if you like a lot of slag. I think the Titanic's rivets were made there.
OEM parts are worth the wait. |
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vamram Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2012 Posts: 7300 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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Disclaimer - I'm not a trained mechanic or engineer. What exactly is wrong w/the MOFOCO head?
AlteWagen wrote: |
APPLEGREENVW wrote: |
SBD wrote: |
MOFOCO sells stock type replacement heads that are cast and machined in the U.S.A. Not sure where their springs, seats, and valves are manufactured. |
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Glad Im not the one who brought this up!!! Doesnt matter where the hardware is from if you cant install it correctly.
Brian_e wrote: |
USA parts can be shit just as easy. Brian |
I fully agree.
These parts and the 'made in the usa' webers from a few years back just prove the point that MITUS doesnt mean what it used to. |
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94touring Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2020 Posts: 313 Location: Oklahoma - OK
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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Look at the bases where the springs sit. Complete garbage. |
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jimbabwe Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2006 Posts: 25 Location: Ione, CA, USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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I had the same question and now I see, too. Wow.
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vamram Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2012 Posts: 7300 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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94touring wrote: |
Look at the bases where the springs sit. Complete garbage. |
Oh wow - now I see it. Yikes. Can something like that be salvaged? MOFOCO doesn't guarantee their work? _________________ Eventually, "we are what we pretend to be.’”
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MuzzcoVW Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2018 Posts: 1462 Location: Westfield, MA.
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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Clatter wrote: |
I spent a lot of time discussing crankshafts with Ed in Newark yesterday.
He’s NOT the fan of China cranks that everyone here is.
Not so much the common errors dimensionally,
His issue is with the metallurgy.
People today just don’t do the miles they used to,
So the problems don’t appear soon, if at all. |
I guess it's a YMMV issue, along with when the part was produced as in inconsistent quality. I know so many people running China cranks with heavy miles and zero issues. Hell, I know three or so guys running modern counter weighted CAST cranks that have no issues for 50k plus miles. |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2387 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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slalombuggy Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9145 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Parts Not Made in China |
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Bonesberg55 wrote: |
Chinese parts are fine if you like a lot of slag. I think the Titanic's rivets were made there.
OEM parts are worth the wait. |
Unless you want to build something other than a stock engine.
I've been beating on my Chinese parts for 13 years in 4 different engine configurations of over 200hp and now over 300 and they seem to be doing just fine. The only parts I ever had fail were MIA. |
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