412 starter motor

[Jbvw412]

After all,
Was wondering if someone on here could help.
I am in need of a new starter motor and I'm struggling to find the right one.
I have read that an auto starter fromt most aircooled is the best option as this requires no bushing. Is this correct?
I'm based in the UK and all I can find is starter motors on ebay.
The main classic vw sites don't seem to specify anything type 4 related. Especially 412.
So can anyone shed some light on what starter motor will fit my 1973 412 1.7 petrol manual and where I can find one.

Below is a link to eBay for the starter I have found. It states it fits a 412 but is this true and will it be any good?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115520170422?mkcid=16&a...media=COPY

[Pepperbilly]

If you have the original starter you can have it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric shop.

If not just type in a search on this forum under “starter”. This has been discussed and Ray Greenwood provided some good info in the past. It is a self supporting starter and the automatic starter is a bit higher in HP I believe.

Bill

[Pelle]

The starter for a 4-speed manual is the same as in a regular beetle or a bus from the same era. Don´t forget to replace the starter bushing.

[raygreenwood]

The parts book I have lists two main starters and five different versions.

As Pepperbilly noted, the Automatic transmission which is a 003 (same basic automatic transmission for a type 3 car) uses a starter that does not have a shaft that protrudes out of its housing to plug into a recess with a bushing in the transmission case.

People call this type "self supporting" because it does not need a bushing installed in the case. The book shows this one as part # 003 911 023A

As Pelle notes....the four speed manual transmission uses these part #'s across various years.

311 911 023 B

111 911 023 A

311 911 023 C

311 911 023 D

If you have a manual, I would try to stick close to the part # you already have as there were two main designs of manual transmission and their bell housings have slightly different forms. I do not know if all of these manual transmission starter assemblies fit through all years.

For the 004 manual transmission the book shows a starter shaft bushing of part # 111 301 155.

Ray

[sjbartnik]

While I can't speak to the variations in Type 4 bell housings over the years, I am reasonably sure that all Type 1 and Type 3 starters interchange (disregarding of course the difference in pinion gear between 6 and 12v versions).

Furthermore, as noted, the self-supporting starter was used on the Type 3 automatic and also on the Type 1 Auto-Stick and was rated at 0.6 hp as compared to the standard starter rated at 0.5 hp. So the automatic starter can be a nice upgrade because 1) you don't have to deal with the bushing anymore and 2) it's got a little more oomph.

So I would say that an automatic starter for a Beetle or Type 3 would *most likely* fit but do check your retailer's return policy first just in case.
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[wbrown45]

If you decide on the self supporting style starter the Bosch rebuilt part number is SR17X.
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[vw81jetta]

[Wildthings]

The T-181s sold in the US market, had an automatic starter combined with a manual transmission, its pretty much a direct replacement. The 091 bellhousing which takes a different starter drive, and will not accept the automatic starter, didn't show up on T-2 Transporters until the 1976 model IIRC so I would doubt if it was on any Type 4 cars sold in the US market.

If you want more HP than the standard auto stick starter you could go with one out of a Vanagon with a 2.1 WBX engine, but the clocking of the solenoid is different and I don't know what problems that might cause on a Type 4 car.

[raygreenwood]

[Wildthings]

[Lars S]

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