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KTPhil 
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 Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Plumber pricing |
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Applies to auto repair rates.
I saw this on a shop wall years ago. Lol |
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jinx758
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Plumber pricing |
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Crawl spaces ... suck !
As a former plumber and HVAC person I've been in many.
What really bites is swapping out a 50gal water heater in an attic.
What a total P. I. T. A.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Plumber pricing |
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| Tankless water heaters. Way better than tank type |
Only if you're short on space. Otherwise, no thanks. Seen too many of them fail early, and cause long wait times to get hot water.
Also, I much prefer to have 50 gallons of fresh water on hand at all times.
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Xevin
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Plumber pricing |
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What I’m about to say may not be true in everyone’s experiences. Just something to consider.
When I need to use a plumber or electrician for something I can’t do or willing to do. The products professionals use seem of better quality then what I would buy at a big box store. People that I know who do plumbing and electrical work don’t want their reputation tarnished with crappy products or products that make the techs job more difficult.
Same reason some ACVW shops closed because the junk parts available, make it difficult or perhaps unreliable.
Also what part of the country you live in will add to the cost of labor and parts. As mentioned parts mark up is part of the business.
Sometimes a part you buy at a big box store isn’t built the same as a product at a specialty retailer even though it looks the same.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Plumber pricing |
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| Xevin wrote: |
What I’m about to say may not be true in everyone’s experiences. Just something to consider.
When I need to use a plumber or electrician for something I can’t do or willing to do. The products professionals use seem of better quality then what I would buy at a big box store. People that I know who do plumbing and electrical work don’t want their reputation tarnished with crappy products or products that make the techs job more difficult.
Same reason some ACVW shops closed because the junk parts available, make it difficult or perhaps unreliable.
Also what part of the country you live in will add to the cost of labor and parts. As mentioned parts mark up is part of the business.
Sometimes a part you buy at a big box store isn’t built the same as a product at a specialty retailer even though it looks the same. |
100% truth. A reputable contractor will generally refuse to install box store fixtures. They are generally sub par in comparison to the stuff bought through a plumbing supply house. Professionals would prefer not to deal with warranty work for crappy stuff from Home Depot.
One plumber we used to use for our houses was asked to install two toilets and a shower purchased online by the homeowner, without asking my boss (the general contractor). When the dust settled, we were there just long enough to close in the house. Someone else finished the project without us or that plumber on the job. Boss was not happy for the guy to have gone behind his back, and the plumber would have refused to install the stuff anyway.
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EverettB
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Plumber pricing |
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| Sometimes a part you buy at a big box store isn’t built the same as a product at a specialty retailer even though it looks the same. |
Not specifically related to plumbing but Yes, often things are produced in dedicated batches for a specific big box retailer, often with different model number(s).
They use different model numbers so you can't price compare.
It may or may not be lower quality.
I know Costco for one does this but depending on what it is, I don't think it's necessarily lower quality there.
I agree that most everything at Home Depot, etc. is often lower quality though than a dedicated industry place.
On the original topic:
The plumbing stuff I've had done here everything was an installed price.
I don't remember anything ever changing unless there was some huge unknown issue.
I assume they looked at it and knew exactly how long it would take in hours to do the job.
It always seemed cheap to me as I know the hourly can be $100+/hour so I never questioned prices.
Maybe that makes me either a dumb or an easy customer or both... whatever.
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Plumber pricing |
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My cuz the plumber told a guy after he bitched about how long it took him to fix/repair something ,,"You also pay me for what I know" not how long it takes me to do it,, or something like that,,, 
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: Plumber pricing |
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| madmike wrote: |
| My cuz the plumber told a guy after he bitched about how long it took him to fix/repair something ,,"You also pay me for what I know" not how long it takes me to do it,, or something like that,,, |
Yes, it's the old legend of:
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Tesla responded with a detailed breakdown showing “Marking an X” listed at $1 and “Knowing where to put the mark” at $9,999. Needless to say, Ford paid the bill. |
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