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ALLWAGONS
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In Spanish radio, a few stations are running ads against EV's. Stating they are only for the rich. They are neither cheap nor accessible. Maybe they will find another cause to create mayhem again. Sad
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Jon Schmid
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| There's a headline on today's LA Times website regarding a "huge" data breach at Tesla regarding gross under reporting of crashes involving their "Autopilot" cars. |
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Jon Schmid
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Here's the headline:
Huge Tesla data leak reportedly reveals thousands of safety complaints. |
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Here's the headline:
Huge Tesla data leak reportedly reveals thousands of safety complaints. |
HUGE!!
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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https://youtube.com/shorts/tNg1_dmsPr8?feature=share
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oprn
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| In Spanish radio, a few stations are running ads against EV's. Stating they are only for the rich. They are neither cheap nor accessible. Maybe they will find another cause to create mayhem again. Sad |
Some people may be buying them for practical reasons but I suspect most are using them as a status symbol at this point in time. Once the "blush is off the rose" and thing get real, we will see how it all turns out.
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Abscate
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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If I were in a capital cycle looking to replace a car right now I would be on the cusp of EV. With a maximum commute of 45 miles to transport an ICE no longer makes sense for me.
Getting rid of my ICE won’t pay for itself though , so I’ll stay unsmug for now.
A Tesla would have been great on my 3 hour slog through Taylor Swift traffic, though
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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A sale flyer for Canadian tire came in today, regular car tires (yes, they still sell tires surprisingly) were ~$100, light truck ~$180, EV tires were ~$400 ea on sale, that kind of bites in to the smug bank when calculating long term ownership costs.
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Tire rack $200 options
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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But are they made ethically and sustainably to maximise the virtue signalling?, you can't cheap out on "saving the planet" now can you?
I'm sure there's affordable options if you shop around, I was just a little impressed by the blatant exploitation of gullible EV owners because they need to feel "special".
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Xevin 
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| Abscate wrote: |
| Tire rack $200 options |
But are they made ethically and sustainably to maximise the virtue signalling?, you can't cheap out on "saving the planet" now can you?
I'm sure there's affordable options if you shop around, I was just a little impressed by the blatant exploitation of gullible EV owners because they need to feel "special". |
At least the owners of Leaf cars. The tires should last 10-15 years. That helps save the planet a tiny bit 
(Of course you don’t keep tires that long).
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| ALLWAGONS wrote: |
| In Spanish radio, a few stations are running ads against EV's. Stating they are only for the rich. They are neither cheap nor accessible. Maybe they will find another cause to create mayhem again. Sad |
Some people may be buying them for practical reasons but I suspect most are using them as a status symbol at this point in time. Once the "blush is off the rose" and thing get real, we will see how it all turns out. |
Is this about trucks or EVs?
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oprn
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| Abscate wrote: |
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| ALLWAGONS wrote: |
| In Spanish radio, a few stations are running ads against EV's. Stating they are only for the rich. They are neither cheap nor accessible. Maybe they will find another cause to create mayhem again. Sad |
Some people may be buying them for practical reasons but I suspect most are using them as a status symbol at this point in time. Once the "blush is off the rose" and things get real, we will see how it all turns out. |
Is this about trucks or EVs? |
The answer is ... yes!
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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I was wondering about the Herbert quote. It's from the fourth in the Dune series, God-Emperor of Dune . . .
. . . I didn't make it past the 2nd novel so I can't add much (other than read Dune, but skip the rest). The analysis states suppression of advanced technology was to force the population to evolve. I suppose that's appropriate, but EVs don't equate with primitive tech. We really should be going back to street cars, horse-drawn or not. |
I definitely recommend reading the entire series. The first few books are a bit of a chore to get through sometimes, but they do get better and better as the series progresses.
Even though the technology being used is comparatively modern, I think the concept of the EV is incredibly primitive. Batteries, electric motors and even EV's have literally existed for centuries. It's kind of like "texting" on your cell phone. The cell phone is a modern electronic device; the ability to type words into an electric device and send them to someone far, far away is two centuries old. (And it's somewhat of a regression, in my opinion. Does anyone remember the days when you actually talked to the person at the other end of the line, instead of doing what basically amounts to the 21st century version of the telegraph?)
In other electric news, this popped up on my feed the other day, and I sincerely hope this is being completely blown out of proportion (but my inner cynic has the sinking feeling that it's not):
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oprn
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I have not heard of this problem here. We have hundreds of those whirly birds in this area too but of course our weather is much colder and dryer than Scotland...
Ice on the blades would naturally decrease efficiency but so would a decrease in wing speed, I can't see that being an issue. Perhaps ice breaking off randomly could cause an imbalance but at 11 rpm would that be so bad? I suppose that due to the blade length it could be...
Interesting subject!
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| steve244 wrote: |
I was wondering about the Herbert quote. It's from the fourth in the Dune series, God-Emperor of Dune . . .
. . . I didn't make it past the 2nd novel so I can't add much (other than read Dune, but skip the rest). The analysis states suppression of advanced technology was to force the population to evolve. I suppose that's appropriate, but EVs don't equate with primitive tech. We really should be going back to street cars, horse-drawn or not. |
I definitely recommend reading the entire series. The first few books are a bit of a chore to get through sometimes, but they do get better and better as the series progresses.
Even though the technology being used is comparatively modern, I think the concept of the EV is incredibly primitive. Batteries, electric motors and even EV's have literally existed for centuries. It's kind of like "texting" on your cell phone. The cell phone is a modern electronic device; the ability to type words into an electric device and send them to someone far, far away is two centuries old. (And it's somewhat of a regression, in my opinion. Does anyone remember the days when you actually talked to the person at the other end of the line, instead of doing what basically amounts to the 21st century version of the telegraph?)
In other electric news, this popped up on my feed the other day, and I sincerely hope this is being completely blown out of proportion (but my inner cynic has the sinking feeling that it's not):
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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indeed! looks like the turbines, operated by a spanish company, were not 'winterised' enough to suit scottish winters.
this is from the edf website - sounds good but they don't say where the heat comes from to 'increase your generation'! perhaps it's political hot air
"But ice can be a challenge in cold weather. Turbine manufacturers offer ice detection systems, which shut the turbines down automatically if ice is detected. Ice can impact the turbine’s performance, but it could also create a safety hazard.
As well as ice detection systems, some innovative solutions for anti-icing are used in very cold locations, such as Scandinavia. For example, some blades come with a material that heats up to prevent them from icing. Other solutions include blowing hot air into the blades. The idea being that you avoid shutdown of the turbine in these conditions and increase your generation."
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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Most modern wind turbines have some method of blade de-icing available. I say available. Its an option.
Wind turbines cannot operate with any significant ice on the blades. Between the weight and the turbulence produced it WILL destroy the blades....violently.
Bit a lot of locations do not OPT for the de-icing kit. This was a LARGE part if the issue down in Texas a couple of years ago in the deep freeze with sleet. No de-icing. They had to shut them all down.
They had made wind and solar roughly 20% of their capacity and dismantled the corresponding fossil fuel backup....hence a critical power shortage in the midst of rare below 0 weather. Ray |
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oprn
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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It would be interesting to find out if the whirly birds here have de-icing options. Possibly not as we are for the most part too cold and dry to need it. Hoar frost is our biggest threat on foggy days, sometimes takes the power lines down. Actual icing happens mostly right around the freezing mark in high humidity.
I did meet one of the fellows who looked after the closest wind farm to us but I cannot ask him now as he is no longer with us. Lost him in a traffic fatality unfortunately. No it wasn't in his Tesla, it was in a fire/rescue truck trying to help some idiot that didn't have the common sense to stay home in bad weather!
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