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Braukuche
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 Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:08 pm Post subject: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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When I set my gaps without the seal they were was perfect, with the KGPR seal the right lower corner and part of the right edge are high and look like crap. There is over all no crush on these POS seals.
Anyone using a seal from another seller that has some actual crush or is thinner on profile? If not I will have to fabricate something, these are unusable.
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rcooled
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| Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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I used a KGPR engine lid weatherstrip and had no issues...but this was ten years ago. Quality may have changed since then due to sourcing from a different manufacturer.
West Coast Metric has quality rubber weatherstripping that they make here in the US.
https://www.westcoastmetric.com/i-22965503-141-705a.html
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jeffrey8164 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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I don’t know where KGPR gets their seals from.
I have all WCM rubber on mine. They fit well and still pliable after 25 years.
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sputnick60
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| Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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I had some seals that were just like yours and pushed the deck-lid in all the wrong places even though the gaps were perfect without it.
The photo shows the problem is caused because the seal is the wrong size for vertical slot it never gets filled by lip. No amount of squishing gets the rubber compressed enough when the lid is closed.
I got another set of seals from Rüdiger Huber over in Germany at https://www.vintagecarparts.de/. They work a whole lot better. I don't understand why the real deck seal supplied these days hasn't the same profile as the front trunk seal. I would have thought it obvious to have them the same. Metal edges are almost the same width and height.
Nicholas
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1953BILLVW's
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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| I just used a KGRP seal I bought about 2 yrs. ago for my project and it does not fit properly. With the seal off engine lid fits good. With it on the lid will not latch. I had an extra front hood seal so I used that. Now the engine lid closes and latches. |
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Ian Godfrey
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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I cheated and used a piece cut from a front trunk seal. nobody notices 
I had bought 3 kinds of rear seal that all didn't work. |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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| Ian Godfrey wrote: |
I cheated and used a piece cut from a front trunk seal. nobody notices
I had bought 3 kinds of rear seal that all didn't work. |
I ended up doing the same thing. Works fine.
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Olli from NJ
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:54 am Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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Great information. Thanks.
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Craigbro
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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| I tried a few without any luck as well BUT just ordered and installed this one from AirHead Parts and it worked on my 65 Coupe ( P/N 141-827-705 A). |
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1953BILLVW's
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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| Deck lid is lined up and latch adjusted and fits good with no seal. I just tried the one I bought from KGRP July 2020, today,and the lid will not even come close to latching. |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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Original seals had shaped corners, repro ones I’ve seen are just straight pieces of rubber which will not conform on the corners and cause bulging. They are also made of more rigid rubber.
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jerrymol
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| Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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| Perhaps I'm asking a question that has an obvious answer, but is it necessary to glue the weather strip in for it's entire length? If so, can a person glue it in sections to avoid making a larger challenge. Also, the KG has metal protrusions (pins) in parts of the channel. Is it advisable to punch small holes in the channel side of the weathers strip to provide a bit of relief to the seal? Thanks in advance. Jerry |
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kiwighia68
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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| jerrymol wrote: |
| Perhaps I'm asking a question that has an obvious answer, but is it necessary to glue the weather strip in for it's entire length? If so, can a person glue it in sections to avoid making a larger challenge. Also, the KG has metal protrusions (pins) in parts of the channel. Is it advisable to punch small holes in the channel side of the weathers strip to provide a bit of relief to the seal? Thanks in advance. Jerry |
If you get the front decklid rubber seal from Rudiger Huber in Germany, it will not only fit perfectly, but will sit lower than the KGP&R rubber. And you'll only have to glue it at the corners.
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kiwighia68
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:18 am Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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The deckled rubber supplied by Mr Huber looks like this: It's the one on the left, with the KGP&R rubber on the right.
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tri356
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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Wow! What a difference between those two parts.
I'm curious though - does that part supplied by R. Huber/vintagecarparts.de still sit too high?
Looking here:
the issue seems to be with how tall the vertical part of the rubber seal (on the inside of the channel lip) is. The part from vintagecarparts has a much longer (taller) vertical portion on the *outside* of the channel lip.
But I would think that would just hold the seal in place better. Wouldn't that taller portion on the inner side of the lip still cause the decklid to sit proud?
Two other questions:
a) is there a difference in how soft/malleable one seal is compared to the other?
b) is the one from Germany molded into a C shape, following the contour of the bottom of the decklid?
Thank you,
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kiwighia68
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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Mike, I answer your questions on page 79 of my thread, Saving Emiko:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...start=1560
The vintage.de trunk rubber is molded at all four corners, and has holes for the drainage in the front corners. The deckled sits flush.
I've given the vintage.de tip to others and they have reported back that their experience matches mine. Top quality, solution to the hard and high rubber problem.
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tri356
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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Thanks Chris.
It sounds as if we should have bought them when they were available! This from Rudiger, from yesterday:
"Sorry i do not have new old stock original parts and i do not have very good reproductions. All is sold, never comes back
I have reproduction parts 25 Euro"
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Marcdeb
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Decklid seal recommendation needed |
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I have the same issue. I tried the front trunk seal and if shortened to the correct length, it works great. Until a better reproduction comes out, this seems to be the best option.
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