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lmaoufle
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 Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 1:01 am Post subject: Belly pans and external oil cooler, where to? |
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Hi!!
I have a 71 westy with belly pans, I am in the process of installing my new engine and it comes with an external oil cooler and its fan
My issue is I don't see where to install it as I have no space for it on the chassis, so any ideas? any pics of install?
Thanks in advance!
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Shonandb
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Belly pans and external oil cooler, where to? |
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When I first picked up my 76, I refreshed the top end and mounted an external oil cooler like the one in your pic on the Driver's side of the engine bay under the spare tire indent. It seemed to work well from what I remember but not sure how much room you have in your 71.
Thinking back, I think I mounted the oil cooler horizontally on 2" or 3" blocks.
I couldn't really test it well as one of the main bearings was toast so I went down the Subaru swap path.
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bsairhead
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Belly pans and external oil cooler, where to? |
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| I would not mount it in the engine bay. First it will compete for fresh air from your fan shroud. Second it will add heat to the engine bay. |
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richparker
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Belly pans and external oil cooler, where to? |
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| I would not mount it in the engine bay. First it will compete for fresh air from your fan shroud. Second it will add heat to the engine bay. |
This is false.
I have mine in my engine bay and it keeps my 2275 perfectly cool. I even have my oil filter in the engine bay, also no issues..A hole was cut under the cooler for the air to escape the engine bay after it passes over the cooler. I have my fan set up on a switch that’s located on my gauge cluster so I can turn the fan on and off as I choose.
There is no issue with the cooler fan competing with the fresh air fan or the dual carbs. The air volume in the engine bay in plentiful.
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Shonandb
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Belly pans and external oil cooler, where to? |
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| I would not mount it in the engine bay. First it will compete for fresh air from your fan shroud. Second it will add heat to the engine bay. |
This is false.
I have mine in my engine bay and it keeps my 2275 perfectly cool. I even have my oil filter in the engine bay, also no issues..A hole was cut under the cooler for the air to escape the engine bay after it passes over the cooler. I have my fan set up on a switch that’s located on my gauge cluster so I can turn the fan on and off as I choose.
There is no issue with the cooler fan competing with the fresh air fan or the dual carbs. The air volume in the engine bay in plentiful.
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My setup wasn't as nice as yours Rich but it seemed to work and was in the same location.
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germansupplyscott
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Belly pans and external oil cooler, where to? |
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Is your fan a puller or pusher? From your post I think it must be a pusher?
I don't love having the oil cooler inside the engine bay but that setup looks clean and well sorted.
I put the oil cooler in the space just forward of the rear axle torsion housing, there is a small gap there that fits the small Setrab cooler quite well. The cooler posted by the OP is a lot bigger (I think?) and might not fit there. I've also designed a bracket for the oil filter that gets it tucked up above the transaxle.
(photo is a '71 Campmobile so it also has belly pans)
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richparker
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Belly pans and external oil cooler, where to? |
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| germansupplyscott wrote: |
Is your fan a puller or pusher? From your post I think it must be a pusher?
I don't love having the oil cooler inside the engine bay but that setup looks clean and well sorted.
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The fan is a pusher. The cooler is two T4 oil coolers that are mounted to an aluminum block and run parallel not in series. I also run a T4 cooler in the doghouse and a velocity ring.
Thanks, it’s clean and works great!
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bsairhead
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:27 am Post subject: Re: Belly pans and external oil cooler, where to? |
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| bsairhead wrote: |
| I would not mount it in the engine bay. First it will compete for fresh air from your fan shroud. Second it will add heat to the engine bay. |
This is false.
I have mine in my engine bay and it keeps my 2275 perfectly cool. I even have my oil filter in the engine bay, also no issues..A hole was cut under the cooler for the air to escape the engine bay after it passes over the cooler. I have my fan set up on a switch that’s located on my gauge cluster so I can turn the fan on and off as I choose.
There is no issue with the cooler fan competing with the fresh air fan or the dual carbs. The air volume in the engine bay in plentiful.
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Rich you have a slick setup. But you can't say my statement is false when using your setup for comparison. The fan WILL compete with the shroud and intake even if it's not an issue. And the O.P. made no mention of cutting a hole to evacuate the heat. So the heated air needs a place to go, that would be thru the shroud and over the heads. Just saying. |
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mikedjames
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Belly pans and external oil cooler, where to? |
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I have an EMPI "24 row" (8 real world rows) cooler in an air scoop mounted to the back of the cross member behind the belly pan. There is no cooling fan as I have not needed it to keep temperatures down
The rear fixing holes are suspended from pieces of all thread that are fixed above to the floor
Fed from a Mocal thernostatic sandwich plate, the cooler loop is about 10 feet , no pressure issues.
It looks dirty because it has been in use for at least 11 years.
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