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TomVaughan64 Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2023 Posts: 89 Location: California
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Posted: Tue May 28, 2024 10:25 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert Jimmy Sprinkles |
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Thank you for the information on the Blue WW seals. I am getting to that point on one of my projects and now I will know what to watch for. _________________ Tom
"Begin with the end in mind"
Stephen Covey
"Keep focused and seeking knowledge, you will never find disappointed, only small hiccups!"
Jimbo
56 Old Speed Euro Deville Influenced Build Returning
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Zwitterkafer Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2007 Posts: 953 Location: Lanark County, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Tue May 28, 2024 11:00 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert Jimmy Sprinkles |
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Just now I discovered and went through the splitcase transmission rebuild in this thread. Looks like nice work that followed the workshop manual, but I have a question: After the final pinion adjustment, did you check the contact pattern between ring and pinion? It will be interesting to see how it performs and if it runs much quieter than before. _________________ "Criticism comes easier than Craftsmanship"
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 6152 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Tue May 28, 2024 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: 56 vert Jimmy Sprinkles |
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Hey there ZwitterKafer, that is a good question, and a detail that I didn't document. I actually got yellow marking compound on my hands, and then everything that eve and stopped taking pictures. If I had been rebuilding a ring and pinion back into their native case, I wouldn't stress the pattern and would just put it back with he same shims it had. But, as I had to use a different case, I was nervous and did check the pattern. I was lucky and the pattern was acceptable the first time. It could be better, but changing it meant finding bunch of shims that are only available from the people that hoard them... so I left it alone. The contact is well centered on the tooth, but slightly towards the outside of the ring gear radius, and slightly more backlash than is spec for a new build. If I had a thicker pinion bearing shim, it would have moved the pinion into the ring, possibly correcting the pattern and backlash. But then I thought about how many gearboxes I've torn down that were very loose, and didn't make much noise, and decided to give this a shot. Fingers crossed right?
SD _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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Zwitterkafer Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2007 Posts: 953 Location: Lanark County, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 9:49 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert Jimmy Sprinkles |
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esde, thanks for that informative reply. Agree, with new bearings and a replacement case, checking the pattern was warranted. Those pinion shims can indeed take a long time to find. (None at Weddle?) I once scrounged a good one from a parts splitcase that was lying around taking up space. Making a shim adjustment of course means backtracking and undoing that dialed-in gear stack, which becomes less fun every time. For sure, fingers crossed that all is well and much improved. Cheers! _________________ "Criticism comes easier than Craftsmanship"
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 6152 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2024 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: 56 vert Jimmy Sprinkles |
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Progress.. as always two steps forward and one back.
Oil filter bracket:
I wasn't going to drill holes, so this pretty much meant I had to use the bumper mount bolts. This is standard practice on later cars, but early cars have the overrider brace bars in the way. I ended up using some spacers and longer bolts to get around the brace, and it worked out well.
Yes, the oil hoses are close to the fender, there's room to slip a business card between them, but no more. Not on purpose, thought I had measured to leave more room..
Adjusted the clutch, and set the timing, put the top down and pulled it out for the first time this year..
Gave it a quick rinse with the hose
This is the engine I built for my 52 zwitter, and it has maybe 2 hours of run time on it. Still running break in oil for sure, probably should change it out asap
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The engine runs nicely, and the transmission is quiet!!
But, it does not like to shift into 1st or 2nd. If I select R, 3 or 4 then I can quickly engage 1st or 2nd. Sitting still in neutral, depress clutch and you cannot go into 1 or 2. I suspect that something in the pinion stack is tight, but will call some people smarter than myself for 2nd and 3rd opinions..
ARGH.
But hey, and least everything that needs to be done has already been cleaned... _________________ modok wrote:
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Dan22 Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2019 Posts: 565 Location: Battle Ground, WA
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Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 8:55 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert Jimmy Sprinkles |
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Thanks for the oil filter mount pix. It looks like it tucks nicely up there and quite serviceable.
You may consider welding up that crack in your bumper mount someday. That provides rigidity to the whole panel and other cracks can generate.
And I think you clutch is dragging if you have trouble getting into gear. Could be adjustment or pilot bearing, or a bad clutch plate. _________________ 1-0900722 die langsame grüne Schildkröte
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=765074 |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 6152 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: 56 vert Jimmy Sprinkles |
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Dan22 wrote: |
Thanks for the oil filter mount pix. It looks like it tucks nicely up there and quite serviceable.
You may consider welding up that crack in your bumper mount someday. That provides rigidity to the whole panel and other cracks can generate.
And I think you clutch is dragging if you have trouble getting into gear. Could be adjustment or pilot bearing, or a bad clutch plate. |
Thanks Dan.
I am refraining from any welding on the car for now
I have uncovered enough a fair amount of stuff that needs attention, but I am not going to dive into it until my zwitter is complete. Gotta have at least one nice car to drive
And, I had originally assumed the clutch was not the problem, because it worked before.. but then today I had talked w Matt Steedle and his thoughts are also to look at the clutch again. I'll try the low hanging fruit first, so pedal assembly/ clutch cable/ shift linkage all get inspected tomorrow eve. _________________ modok wrote:
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 6152 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:12 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert Jimmy Sprinkles |
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SUCCESS!
I started with all of the easy stuff. Shifter off, shift coupling back out, inspecting all of the clutch cable mechanics..
My problems were a combination of two faulty new parts. The shift rod coupler had one lock screw indexed a few degrees off from the other. So the shift gate for 1 was not where the reverse lockout plate wanted it to be.
The second was a tough one, that I found by chance. the clutch felt right, but was acting like it didn't have the pedal fully depressed. I had my son step on the pedal while I watched from underneath, and noticed the bow in the bowden tube was disappearing!? WTF! Further inspection, showed the black plastic coated cable sheath was getting pulled into the crimped end about 3-4mm, when the clutch was released it would slowly creep back out. I don't even know how I noticed it was so slight. Swapped the bowden tube and all is good! Drives well and doesn't leak a drop!!
No clue where the bowden came from, could have been EIS, Wolfsburg, or CIP1.
Taking it to a show tomorrow and then the farmers market, will post some pics along the way!
SD _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 4569 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:50 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert Jimmy Sprinkles |
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Awesome, put that little nag behind you. _________________ My name's Steve and it's pronounced "Bust 'em" (cuz people think I'm Tom)
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if you aren't perfectly centered in the hole you will have issues when you tap it. |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 10639 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:14 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert Jimmy Sprinkles |
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Nice sleuthing! I have not seen that fault, ever! Ever time I read about the lack of quality of the parts we are dependent upon, my heart sinks. It always makes me look at the writing on the wall. Wish those that manufacture were more vested in GOOD QUALITY, instead of less than okay.
Glad you found it and hope the next tube is a good one! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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Zwitterkafer Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2007 Posts: 953 Location: Lanark County, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 11:17 am Post subject: Re: 56 vert Jimmy Sprinkles |
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That's great news! There's nothing like a quality Bowden tube. It used to be that all you had to worry about was a high mileage clutch cable fraying and dragging after it cut through the Teflon liner inside the spiral coiled wire of the Bowden tube. Sadly, many new parts these days require a critical examination before installation. _________________ "Criticism comes easier than Craftsmanship"
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 6152 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: 56 vert Jimmy Sprinkles |
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Sooooo
it's been a busy summer driving and enjoying this car, and I have not updated this thread. The cars runs well, and I am pretty happy with it at this point. It's been all over locally, and has only left me stranded twice. Once the points got tight, a little grease on the cam and opened them back up, and I was on my way. The other was the starter, occasionally it just refuses to go. usually it does eventually, but this time my friends got to push so I could show them how to pop the clutch
A dozen cars and coffee mornings, a few shows, farmers markets, ice cream stands, and Flanders All Air Cooled Gathering. If you know the last one, you know.
Waiting for the tow lights to get mounted
Hanging with Schwing and Shotwell
Campsite
Show field
Next to my friend Jays 57, that I did the floors and channels on. He's really done a great job making it a nice car again
Back in the barn, tucked to the side for winter, next to my 62 oval clone (I welded in the rear window when I was 18 )
Next step for this car I think is finishing its engine, as the zwitter will want the current motor back, and then seat covers. And I've done a few small things along the way, like replace an incorrect curved visor with the right one, and I have found a rear ashtray with great chrome, as this one is beyond polishing.
Peace. SD _________________ modok wrote:
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