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 Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 1:49 pm Post subject: Removing Clutch Arm |
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Hey folks, and happy Thanksgiving to anyone celebrating.
I searched, and everything I find seems to be a different style clutch arm which put my project in a momentary pause so I can better understand this.
I need to replace the throw out bearing fork on my 64 Beetle. Car is bone stock, 1200 - no wild cards here. In the manual, and the photos I see here on TS there is a bolt on the bottom of the clutch arm which would be removed to then remove the fork from inside the trans bell housing. Totally makes sense to me.
My 64 doesn’t have a bolt there though! lol
I’m attaching a photo of my clutch arm and also the manual that suggests I should have an extra bolt. There is a bolt going in from the front of the transmission (front is front) which also appears in the manual. But I don’t know if that has anything to do with me removing the arm/fork.
Help?
Thanks!
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obnoxiousblue
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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Ah shyt. You know I didn’t even notice there was a snap ring there - under some grime. I’m looking forward to new axle boots too lol
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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That return spring is loads of fun to put back on. You might want to put a new one in. If you don't, the old one will break within a week of getting it all back together ... that's how the VW gods amuse themselves. 
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obnoxiousblue
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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I did buy the kit from WW. I actually assumed the original would be better to stay with, but maybe I’ll just put the new one on since it’s coming apart.
Any tips for removal? I was thinking of putting a ratchet strap around the spring and then using that to take tension off the arm.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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| I use a small phillips screwdriver, about 3 inch long to lever the spring on and off. Off is easy, on is harder until you figure out the lever scheme. Once you do, it takes only seconds |
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obnoxiousblue
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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Thanks!
Any suggestion on a good grease I should use on the new fork?
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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| OldSchoolVW's wrote: |
| That return spring is loads of fun to put back on. You might want to put a new one in. If you don't, the old one will break within a week of getting it all back together ... that's how the VW gods amuse themselves. |
This^^. I replaced my cross shaft, clips, bushings, and throwout bearing the other day, but I didn’t replace the spring. Later, after I got everything together, I was randomly operating the arm and POP! The old spring broke.
So I also recommend that you replace the spring!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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New spring is on - was surprisingly easy to get on lol
I had overhyped myself to thinking this was impossible!
Got the old input shaft seal out using the "screw" method - and then when installing the new one, it went a bit sideways and I had to pause.
I borrowed a new one from a friends stash and will re-do it tonight. Then pressure plate, clutch, and back in with the engine.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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In the spirit of not wanting to start a new thread for a follow question, I’m going to stray a bit from the original subject - though related.
I got the new fork in, new TO bearing, and reused my original style clips because the heaviest duty ones were a total bear to get in place.
The pressure plate and clutch went in, I used the centering tool and torqued everything to spec.
I got the engine back in, connected fuel, cables, wiring, and it fired right up and ran great. I took the car for a ride and everything seems good.
Except!
Sometimes when I shut it down (not always) I get a rubbing sound. Think of sneakers on a gym floor. It does not matter if the car is in gear, or if I have the clutch pedal up or down. I adjusted the cable thinking maybe I had it a bit too tight so the bearing was actually still engaged a tad but still heard it.
Maybe I need to let it a little more?
I have some play in the pedal, so I don’t think that’s my issue.
Any thoughts?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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| obnoxiousblue wrote: |
In the spirit of not wanting to start a new thread for a follow question, I’m going to stray a bit from the original subject - though related.
I got the new fork in, new TO bearing, and reused my original style clips because the heaviest duty ones were a total bear to get in place.
The pressure plate and clutch went in, I used the centering tool and torqued everything to spec.
I got the engine back in, connected fuel, cables, wiring, and it fired right up and ran great. I took the car for a ride and everything seems good.
Except!
Sometimes when I shut it down (not always) I get a rubbing sound. Think of sneakers on a gym floor. It does not matter if the car is in gear, or if I have the clutch pedal up or down. I adjusted the cable thinking maybe I had it a bit too tight so the bearing was actually still engaged a tad but still heard it.
Maybe I need to let it a little more?
I have some play in the pedal, so I don’t think that’s my issue.
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A few thoughts:
1. How long after shutting it down does it squeak? I'm thinking about the thermostat flaps, maybe the spring is broken and when the air stops flowing, the flaps move a little bit, causing a squeak.
2. Is your generator belt tight?
3. The fan can and does sometimes break loose from the generator shaft inside the shroud. That's obviously bad, and sometimes you can hear it spinning on the shaft after the engine shuts down. But that's not really a squeak sound, so probably not the problem here.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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It’s immediate, the engine is shut down but still in that phase of stopping spinning. Its kinda like the very moment the engine stops physically turning.
To clarify, the sound does sound a bit like rubber, or something rubbing, so I had considered the belt m if he be too tight. I added one shim to the middle to loosen the belt a bit and still hear it.
I was driving the car a week ago, I’d hate to think that the fan suddenly broke loose now but I think that would be more of a rattle and less of a rubbery sound.
Just hoping it’s not something where the pressure plate/flywheel/clutch integrate. I really don’t wanna pull it out again. Lol
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| Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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It’s immediate, the engine is shut down but still in that phase of stopping spinning. Its kinda like the very moment the engine stops physically turning.
To clarify, the sound does sound a bit like rubber, or something rubbing, so I had considered the belt m if he be too tight. I added one shim to the middle to loosen the belt a bit and still hear it.
I was driving the car a week ago, I’d hate to think that the fan suddenly broke loose now but I think that would be more of a rattle and less of a rubbery sound.
Just hoping it’s not something where the pressure plate/flywheel/clutch integrate. I really don’t wanna pull it out again. Lol |
Remove the fan belt from the car. Start it up and then turn it off. Any noise?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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| If the fan belt squeaks, its too loose, not too tight |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Removing Clutch Arm |
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Took the car out to a local holiday parade today and the back and forth on the clutch made the sound occur more frequently - which suggests to me that it is the TO bearing and they having not heard it before was simply a product of it not getting worked out much more than around the block here at home.
Disappointed but not the end of the world.
Has anyone ever used/heard of “Classic Line” from Wolfsburg West? That’s what I used (what they sell) and I’m thinking I’m going to go find a Sachs this time.
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