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Darryldh Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2023 Posts: 25 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:02 pm Post subject: Okrasa Badge |
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So I picked this up the other day... I've been on the lookout for one for a while, but was fairly convinced that they were never actually a real vintage item. I even asked Joe Ruiz outright, and he didn't think they were ever offered by Oettinger.
Regardless, this one came along and it was different than the others. It may be a hand-made reproduction, and it might not be... all I can tell is it is not new.
Things that stand out immediately....
1) It's heavy. Presumably pot metal, likely with high lead content. It is 92.5g (3.26oz).
2) Details are very sharp... much sharper than some of the cast (not stamped) repops out there.
3) There are spelling differences compared to the vast number of badges I have seen.
4) It's obviously not painted red. And it appears to have been mounted with screws or rivets, rather than adhesive or the like.
In my investigation into its origin, I have found it resembles a badge I have seen in an Ascort TSV GT, a very rare Australian car that was a VW conversion kit AFAIK. (link to example) . The details in the badge look the same, except for the blue colour obviously.
So what do you think? Ever come across one of these? Anyone know the history of the generic badge in the first place? Are they real? Inquiring minds want to know.
Thanks!
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69isalive Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2024 Posts: 51 Location: SE Virginia
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Darryldh Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2023 Posts: 25 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Okrasa Badge |
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Hi thanks! I have an genuine Okrasa TSV-1300 engine for my car, so I am aware of what Okrasa is... was interested more in the badge and its pedigree.
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 14096 Location: Southampton U.K.
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Darryldh Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2023 Posts: 25 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Okrasa Badge |
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Thanks John, I had heard that there was a German fellow who was making items like this for sale at shows out there, but most of the evidence was anecdotal, and I hadn't heard if he copied an original or just made it from scratch.
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It was the same with Judson Badges, the awful 6 inch Judson pot metal badges were never a Judson production, just a marketing opportunity with the surge of interest in "Vintage Speed." So it is with all these "Okrasa" spin offs...nothing more than 25 years old and most a lot less. |
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KOMBI NIKO Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2013 Posts: 309 Location: Australia
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Bugfan-MR Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2022 Posts: 11 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Okrasa Badge |
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IMHO - they are both fake.
A German engineer would take more care to ensure 100% correct spelling. 2 of the -i's- are wrong. And that makes this badge look so fake, I doubt it's genuine.
To add to that: the adress on the plate says "GURGholzhäuser Straße".
The real address was "BURGholzhäuser Straße".
To me this looks like too many spelling errors that would not slip by the genuine Oettinger team. An imposter, trying to sell vintage badges, and trying to get away with copyright infringment claims ... |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 78418 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Okrasa Badge |
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Bugfan-MR wrote: |
IMHO - they are both fake.
A German engineer would take more care to ensure 100% correct spelling. 2 of the -i's- are wrong. And that makes this badge look so fake, I doubt it's genuine.
To add to that: the adress on the plate says "GURGholzhäuser Straße".
The real address was "BURGholzhäuser Straße".
To me this looks like too many spelling errors that would not slip by the genuine Oettinger team. An imposter, trying to sell vintage badges, and trying to get away with copyright infringment claims ... |
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Burman Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2004 Posts: 433 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Okrasa Badge |
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Yup..they are fake. The reason I´m so certain is because I made them:-)
The year was 1995 and I did the originals on a mission of Jonas Uhland.
I made these 3 actually (working as an illustrator/graphic designer).
They were all screen printed on aluminium at the time.
And DID have the correct adress:-)
It was just for fun but we realised that the OKRASA badge "got it´s own life" after a while. It got copyied in another sort of "printing technique" and the rest is history.
It was never our intention to screw peoples mind with these badges.-)
The only correct Okrasa badge I know of is the one below
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Bugfan-MR Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2022 Posts: 11 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Okrasa Badge |
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NOW THATS AN INTERESTING WAY FORWARD !
The world is soooo small these days, that we even got to the bottom of this!
Sure hope the owner of that car reads about this and gets rid of that fake plate... |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2015 Posts: 778 Location: Rialto. CA
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Okrasa Badge |
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Fake or not ..I don't see a problem with anyone who sports one of these plaques on their engines/ cars .... |
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