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fishgo Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 132 Location: Madison, WI
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:04 am Post subject: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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I travel quite often with a hitch-mount bike rack, which when loaded tends to obscure the tail lights. I have a 3rd LED brake light in the window.
Who has recommendations for a trailer style plug wiring and splice location? The PO did a brake wire spliced at the left tail light plug socket; GW has a kit and recommends one splice location in the engine bay at some connector point (I have an '83 AC), and I've seen other spliced locations in-between.
Any recommendations and photos of your work that you can share?
I'm planning on adding a metal "light bar" or basically an aluminum bar about 3' to 4' wide with velcro straps and two LED running/turn/brake lights that I can affix either to the rack (when folded up) or to the rack or rear-most bike (when loaded) for additional visibility. The light bar then can be quickly removed and unplugged when not needed.
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4492 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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I have not built one yet, but I KNOW what would be the best way to add a hitch connector to the harness... I found out that the black box in the engine compartment has two round connectors, one for engine and start stuff, and the other is for the tail lights.
I called VC and talked it over with them, my particular 'want' was to get the right connector for the Subi swap I was working on.
Turns out that the same connector works for both above mentioned needs.
This means, if you get a few of these connectors, male and female and make a 'jumper' with a harness out to the hitch, Bingo, you've got everything you needed right in the black box AND you didn't have to splice it. Tight fit tho. But, I'd say worth it.
I'll edit this with the link when I dig it up.
Edit:
Ahh, here they are!
https://www.vancafe.com/803971980-p/803971980.htm
https://www.vancafe.com/803971979-p/803971979.htm
-bobby _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6901 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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The splice locations I used we're all inside the junction box on the left front of the engine compartment.
This is where the wire harness from the front connects to the lighting harness in the rear.
It is protected from the elements and even though it is I still used butt connectors with adhesive line heat shrink to waterproof the splice.
I cannot see cutting open the wire harness anywhere along it's length exposing the wires to deteriorating from the elements.
The standard trailer kit wire is long enough to reach the junction box.
I recently added into it to add another light bar mounted up top on the roof rack.
Going down I-95 a few months ago and in a torrential rain storm you could not see any tail or brake lights mounted down low in the normal location on a vehicle due to the spray kicked up by the car's.
Unfortunately the turn/brake lights just are not as bright as I want for daylight, but that 3rd brake light is plenty bright.
As soon as I find a nice bright set of lights I'll change them out...I just don't want to buy all the lights on Amazon to find them! _________________ This free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
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PDXWesty Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2006 Posts: 6335 Location: Portland OR
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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I'd love to see the light bar you plan on adding. _________________ 89 Westy 2.1 Auto |
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fishgo Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 132 Location: Madison, WI
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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Steve M. wrote: |
The splice locations I used we're all inside the junction box on the left front of the engine compartment.
This is where the wire harness from the front connects to the lighting harness in the rear.
It is protected from the elements and even though it is I still used butt connectors with adhesive line heat shrink to waterproof the splice.
I cannot see cutting open the wire harness anywhere along it's length exposing the wires to deteriorating from the elements.
The standard trailer kit wire is long enough to reach the junction box.
I recently added into it to add another light bar mounted up top on the roof rack.
Going down I-95 a few months ago and in a torrential rain storm you could not see any tail or brake lights mounted down low in the normal location on a vehicle due to the spray kicked up by the car's. |
I'm wondering if this is the junction box? A quick check shows the tail light wiring going into this, not the front right part of the bay. It's in the driver's side back (rear) portion of the engine bay:
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6901 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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fishgo wrote: |
I'm wondering if this is the junction box? A quick check shows the tail light wiring going into this, not the front right part of the bay. It's in the driver's side back (rear) portion of the engine bay:
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Looks like you have a different location for the box.
That looks like it will do!
I ran the cable from the upper lights down thru the air vent on the driver's side. _________________ This free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6901 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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Just another note on mine.
I bought a "Y" connector for the trailer wires just so it would be easy to disconnect the roof rack from the trailer light part of the harness.
That cost me $5.97 at Walmarts and it had the wires inside it connected wrong so lights did not match the original lights.
I cut the connectors off and spliced them to the wire harness.
Another FYI is to get a trailer harness for LED lights unless you want the old style bulbs.
My light bar.
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MacDude Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2014 Posts: 105 Location: Bonny Doon
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markswagen Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2018 Posts: 1340 Location: san diego
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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l took out the rear harness, and cut and soldered into each wire on the harness side of the plug, and made up a lead that's long enough to reach 18'' out the license plate flap.
_________________ markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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GreggK Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2008 Posts: 981 Location: Colorado/Philidelphia
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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I just made a new rear light wire harness myself. My plan is to make a splitter or more like a "Y" between the two round connectors, for a trailer harness, using the same ones from RMW and probably a Molex connector going to the trailer harness. I don't have enough room in my junction box, so I'm trying to come up with a remote box to keep the splitter in, out of the elements. One picture shows the pin removal tool that Mark Ward gave me the part number for. Also, a picture of the crimping tool I've been using. It came in a Weather Pack kit I bought a long time ago. There are for sure better ones out there, but this have served me fine.
_________________ '86 2wd Poptop transplant
FAS TDi engine swap. Peloquin LSD
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=692188&highlight=slow+but+steady
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GreggK Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2008 Posts: 981 Location: Colorado/Philidelphia
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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I found all the correct wire colors for the harness on ebay, well the stripes are a bit different. The trailer light harness I got from Go-Westy years ago, so I don't know if it has changed since then. I just started looking at this project again, so I'll post more pictures at some point.
_________________ '86 2wd Poptop transplant
FAS TDi engine swap. Peloquin LSD
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=692188&highlight=slow+but+steady |
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tdivan82 Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2023 Posts: 220 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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Beautiful tail light wiring job there, it's reminding me of what a mess mine is. Any interest in selling these as a complete tail light and trailer harness kit? I'd buy one! _________________ - George
'82 Westy TDI |
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7913 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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Here's another thread with trailer/aux light https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9689844&highlight=#9689844 _________________ - Jim
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Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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GreggK Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2008 Posts: 981 Location: Colorado/Philidelphia
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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tdivan82 wrote: |
Beautiful tail light wiring job there, it's reminding me of what a mess mine is. Any interest in selling these as a complete tail light and trailer harness kit? I'd buy one! |
Once I finish this one, I'll post a picture. If you are in need I'm sure I could make one up. _________________ '86 2wd Poptop transplant
FAS TDi engine swap. Peloquin LSD
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=692188&highlight=slow+but+steady |
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 5341 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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slightly off topic but regards lights... my bike rack blocks the tail lights, especially with 2 bikes on it. looked at all sorts of solutions for visibility when the rack is folded and deployed. decided it just had to be 2 pairs of lights and didn't want to spend the clams for the super nice linear LED strips so i bought a pack of 10 LED clearance lights. just a + and - lead, but was able to use full brightness for the brake/turn signal and an inline resistor for the tail lights. works great. $2.20 each. $8.80 total.
_________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
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MacDude Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2014 Posts: 105 Location: Bonny Doon
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Splice Location / Light recommendations |
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Ah. Looks cool. I didn't think about being out of space in the built in junction box, but it does look pretty crowded. Some sort of break out box needed. It's a same they didn't put in a port for this. I guess they thought that nobody in their right mind would need a trailer harness with such under powered motors.
GreggK wrote: |
I just made a new rear light wire harness myself. My plan is to make a splitter or more like a "Y" between the two round connectors, for a trailer harness, using the same ones from RMW and probably a Molex connector going to the trailer harness. I don't have enough room in my junction box, so I'm trying to come up with a remote box to keep the splitter in, out of the elements. One picture shows the pin removal tool that Mark Ward gave me the part number for. Also, a picture of the crimping tool I've been using. It came in a Weather Pack kit I bought a long time ago. There are for sure better ones out there, but this have served me fine.
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