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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Little update. I have managed to squeak in a few minutes here and there. Business is straight through the roof and time is very limited.

Passenger side heater box tear down. I first attempted to drill the shaft out of the rusted sleeve. Figured, if this works, it will save me a shit ton of time!
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Drilling the shaft was a NO-GO! So, I chucked up a 1/16th inch drill bit and seperated the tube and rod from the box.
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Had to drill out 2 spot welds holding a pivot tab for the sleeve.
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So, you can see what I see!
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Flopped it forwards after chiseling the remaining weld remnants.
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Then wiggled it back and forth, till it gave up the ghost.
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And here it is!
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Removed the tab.
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And started measuring what I needed! Shaft outer tubing. 8mm
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The shaft is 6mm
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Looks like the tube is 43mm long and the shaft is 46 plus the attachment amount at the lever (maybe 2mm), so 48mm long.
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And for those of you with a better grasp of inches, I give you....
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I then removed the lever from the rod.
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I promise another update much sooner than this last time. I have several days off in the next few weeks and several more in a month! Until the next time!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

It IS the details that separate an excellent restoration from all the rest, as you are showing..
the heater boxes are a black hole of time that nobody ever sees. But you have to do them the right way.
Nice work Jim!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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It IS the details that separate an excellent restoration from all the rest, as you are showing..
the heater boxes are a black hole of time that nobody ever sees. But you have to do them the right way.
Nice work Jim!


HAVE TO! It is the way I was brought up, in the trades. No excuses, just get er done to code! It carries over into every nook and cranny in my life. A blessing and a curse.

Thanks for those words! Appreciate them!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Another 2 hours! Jumped right back into the passenger heater box.

I ordered a steel tube for the replacement of the linkage tube, but it was a hair too small at the interior. Thought about turning the shaft down, but why?

So, I did what I should have done to begin with, repair what was OG.

Took a screw and bent a small piece of copper pipe around it. This is a small section of a 3/4” scrap section of old pipe from a repipe! Everything has a use!
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Here is the hole in the conduit.
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I then took the copper sleeve and slide it up into the old tubing, so that the copper was directly under the hole.
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Then I clamped the grounding clamp from the welder to the tubing.
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I then hit it with the MIG welder. Followed by chucking it up into the lathe.
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And pry the tubing off of the copper!
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I then removed the copper screw assembly from the chuck and inserted the tubing. I set up a drill bit in the tailpiece and cleaned up the interior of the tubing.
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All clear!
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It was then time to reattach the cleaned up rod back onto the lever. All set up to weld!
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Then cleaned it up!
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Then slide the tubing retainer back into place and welded it in.
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Ready to weld!
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Zap!
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Then set up the second plug and readied the tube for some molten fun!
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Once the steel melted and secured the pieces, I slide the linkage into the tubing.
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And I just need to weld on the cable arm onto the sub sitting shaft!
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I also had to fab a new arm.
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Set up the box again.
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Set the new linkage into place and be sure the interior lever is oriented correctly.
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Then, ZAP!
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IT WORKED!
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Ground that down and assembled the box. Then installed it onto the engine to see if it still fit! Guess what? IT DOES!
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Until next time!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 3:48 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Very satisfying!!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:36 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

The lengths we go to when saving these things is nuts. So satisfying to see someone that takes the time to get all the details right, even where nobody will ever see it
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

scrivyscriv wrote:
Very satisfying!!


VERY! I will be completely satisfied after the ceramic coating gets on them all!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Very nice Jimbo!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

esde wrote:
The lengths we go to when saving these things is nuts. So satisfying to see someone that takes the time to get all the details right, even where nobody will ever see it
Shocked Shocked Shocked


Thanks man! The details are where God lives! I love that saying. Everytime I get into anything, something, everything, I am reminded about how much there is to know and do. It blows my mind at several different levels! I find that I go to the deepest levels of thinking when I am involved in these types of tasks. I am uber focused on the task, but there is some part of me, philosophically thinking about what and how and why. Those 3 questions are on a continuum within my brain! But the area that is being questioned while I am melting steel is always down to Earth questions. Love when the mind runs on autopilot!

But as with most philosophical thinking, it really does not matter, as I am just a speck of dust sitting on the hour glass that Father Time is watching!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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Very nice Jimbo!


Thanks Matthew! Thanks for checking in on me. Wish I could get by to see what you have going on in your garage! Been too long.

I have some PTO coming up over the holiday. If I am free (between family and the onslaught of emergency calls) I will swing by! The 70 Bug could use some road time!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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Thanks man! The details are where God lives! I love that saying. Everytime I get into anything, something, everything, I am reminded about how much there is to know and do. It blows my mind at several different levels! I find that I go to the deepest levels of thinking when I am involved in these types of tasks. I am
uber focused on the task, but there is some part of me, philosophically thinking about what and how and why. Those 3 questions are on a continuum within my brain! But the area that is being questioned while I am melting steel is always down to Earth questions. Love when the mind runs on autopilot!

But as with most philosophical thinking, it really does not matter, as I am just a speck of dust sitting on the hour glass that Father Time is watching!


Now that's deep!! Keep at it, Jimbo! You might discover the answer to one of man's biggest questions: "What is the meaning of life???"
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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Thanks man! The details are where God lives! I love that saying. Everytime I get into anything, something, everything, I am reminded about how much there is to know and do. It blows my mind at several different levels! I find that I go to the deepest levels of thinking when I am involved in these types of tasks. I am
uber focused on the task, but there is some part of me, philosophically thinking about what and how and why. Those 3 questions are on a continuum within my brain! But the area that is being questioned while I am melting steel is always down to Earth questions. Love when the mind runs on autopilot!

But as with most philosophical thinking, it really does not matter, as I am just a speck of dust sitting on the hour glass that Father Time is watching!


Now that's deep!! Keep at it, Jimbo! You might discover the answer to one of man's biggest questions: "What is the meaning of life???"


Thanks man! I try! Drool

I found this one at a young age. Ignorance is bliss! Not sure it works now. To be honest, it was hit and miss when I was younger! So, maybe that is not the answer. Regardless I will side table this for now and be happy doing so! Think
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:30 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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I have some PTO coming up over the holiday. If I am free (between family and the onslaught of emergency calls) I will swing by!


Please do. I will also be off work and trying to get time in on the Single Cab and maybe even the bug. (OK, maybe not that much but please stop by)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Update time! Been swamped with work. Big bathroom remodel is just about done. Another whole house remodel is just about done. And a full exterior wood trim and siding repair with a full exterior paint job is on the final coats. I have a small roof deck we have to tear off and reconstruct for the final before the Paid Time Off can go into effect! Man, it is so close but so far away!

Anyways, I have had just a few minutes, here, there and anywhere else I can sneak out into the garage to attempt to reach “Forward Progress”! With those moments, I have started to repair the engine tins that came on a few of the engines I have picked up!

Plucked out the rear tin from the pile of “repairable” and got to work!
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Then, got to measure the thickness! .030, or 22 gauge steel.
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Thankfully, I have a whole pile of remnant pieces. So, I pulled one out, that looked brand new.
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Marked out what I need to do. Then clamped the front tin to my new metal, to get a good location on the hole.
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It was then over to a work bench. Clamped it down and hogged out the hole.
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Double checked it for location and size. Then scribed a line with an Awl to dictate the radiused curve.
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Removed the outside extra area. Then drew the radius for the bend.
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I then bent that edge over with a hammer, a small body dolly and time!
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A quick double check of the curve and height of the bent edge.
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Cut out the engine tin for the new metal.
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Clamped up to weld.
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Welded it into place.
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Then ground it all level.
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Then onto repeating that same process for the other side, but with a few bends more! It is missing a bit more steel!
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Marked out the steel, cut, bend, hammer, and trial fit.
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Seems to fit! So let’s make it fit the engine tin!
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Then sand blasted it and shot some epoxy primer on it. Oh, I also punch out the screw holes!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Additionally, I have blasted an intake manifold, which uncovered a rusty hole in one of the preheat tubes.
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Guess I will get to fix that. It was then onto blasting and painting more engine tin. Got these 2 done!
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But, unfortunately, the rear engine tin is worse than I anticipated.
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I will need to weld in a patch when I locate some free time.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

That’s pretty good. 20/22 gauge is hard to weld.
I upgraded two years ago from my trusty Eastwood mig 135 to their multi-process entry level 240V welder. At the time, I wanted to have capacity to weld up to 3/8”, the thickness of some steel on a tractor implement I needed to fix. It was either buy another dedicated HD welder, or sell the little guy and buy a multi-process!
I was having problems with burn back when I ran my Blue Demon .023” mondo roll in that machine. Turns out, unlike the previous machine, I had to have the EXACT size tips to use .023” with that style of gun. It runs great now and welding is truly a pleasure! Still haven’t tried stick on it, and the tig works okay for steel, just need a separate argon.

Anyway, good stuff, guy. Personally speaking, the tedious bits that keep me up at night pondering what route to take are ALWAYS worth the extra time and research. I don’t mind spending money with Wolfsburg west. But rebuilding and reusing stock OG is simply much more satisfying!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:16 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Nice work with the engine front tin. I also enjoy reviving original German engine tins. For the later fresh air system sleds, the metal tabs for the attachment screws are sometimes broken off, and the upper corners that meet up with the lower edges of the cylinder tins are rusted away. Without having a welder or knowing how to weld, I make simple patches and rivet them on, hammer the rivets flat, smear seam sealer along the joint, then paint them. Such areas are out of direct view so that this crude repair is all I need.

On your cylinder tins, did you use semi-gloss or satin black?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

People don't realize what it takes to make the old tin nice again.... and this is why nice early tins cost $$$ at the swap meets lately. People expect that because a 1600 rear tin can be had for $5 most everywhere, that a 36 rear tin is the same. But they're hard to find, and almost always beat up.. same with cylinder tins and early fan shrouds.. so good that you are able to save these.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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That’s pretty good. 20/22 gauge is hard to weld.
I upgraded two years ago from my trusty Eastwood mig 135 to their multi-process entry level 240V welder. At the time, I wanted to have capacity to weld up to 3/8”, the thickness of some steel on a tractor implement I needed to fix. It was either buy another dedicated HD welder, or sell the little guy and buy a multi-process!
I was having problems with burn back when I ran my Blue Demon .023” mondo roll in that machine. Turns out, unlike the previous machine, I had to have the EXACT size tips to use .023” with that style of gun. It runs great now and welding is truly a pleasure! Still haven’t tried stick on it, and the tig works okay for steel, just need a separate argon.

Anyway, good stuff, guy. Personally speaking, the tedious bits that keep me up at night pondering what route to take are ALWAYS worth the extra time and research. I don’t mind spending money with Wolfsburg west. But rebuilding and reusing stock OG is simply much more satisfying!


Thanks for chiming in! On the thin steel, I set up the heat to the medium range and use tiny hits. No molten pool being moved around. It is typical hot enough to fill the missing steel and that’s it. I then flip the piece over and run another set of hits along the same seam line. This run gets to a more molten level, due to the front side being thicker from the last hits. It has worked great so far. Oh, and on the first hits, I place one of my copper backers in. They REALLY help in heat management, allowing for bigger puddles, if needed!

I only have an old 170amp Harbor Freight welder. It does have shielding gas, but only 4 heat settings. But it has served a great! I am mindful of the low duty cycle, allowing it, at times, to cool down. I have even use this welder to fabricate a few gates and plant shelves for my customers! It also has traveled to a few job sites to weld up a few items when the Oxy/Acyt tank go dry! It handles up to 1/4” steel pretty well, but at that level the duty cycle is less than a minute and 3 for cooling. So, I try and stay away from anything too thick!

That last sentence is Gold! Sums up many of restorer’s thoughts!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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Nice work with the engine front tin. I also enjoy reviving original German engine tins. For the later fresh air system sleds, the metal tabs for the attachment screws are sometimes broken off, and the upper corners that meet up with the lower edges of the cylinder tins are rusted away. Without having a welder or knowing how to weld, I make simple patches and rivet them on, hammer the rivets flat, smear seam sealer along the joint, then paint them. Such areas are out of direct view so that this crude repair is all I need.

On your cylinder tins, did you use semi-gloss or satin black?
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Hey Rome!

You ought to stop by at some point so that I can teach you to weld! It is super easy, you just have to be mindful of what is around you. Or take a welding class at your local Junior college. The time spent is worth the price and you will see that melting steel is so much fun!

I use satin finish on my VW tins. I wish I could get an eggshell sheen in a spray can off the shelf, but have not found one yet. I think the satin is the closest to OG . Semigloss is just too shiny and Flat is too dull. Maybe, in the future, I will breakout the spray gun again, but I hate cleaning that thing for small projects. The cans are so much nicer!
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