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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 1:45 pm    Post subject: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

Firstly, I am sticking with the 6 volts, so no help to say convert.

Now with that out of the way, have a couple related questions:
How to run a dash camera on six volts
How to have oil temperature gauge, not just an idiot light.

I already have the dash camera, though if someone knows of a unit that operates on five to six volts, I rather go that route. I spent several hours looking for a step up circuit design that supply enough current for such, however, the best I could find cost about $75 to build. So, bought one off Amazon, installed, of course does not work, and then got sick and missed the return window. The current dash camera, bought years ago, has low battery shutoff circuitry, so can't supply the camera on 5VDC most contemporary circuits run on.

What, besides the dash bulb, makes a gauge six or 12 volts?

There are no new six volt gauges available as far as found, just used at a price over $300, which is out of my budget at this time. Senders for six volt gauges are available, would this work? Or does a resistor need to be in parallel or in series to adjust?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

Get a thermocouple gage, it dont require external power except for the light bulb. Really I think an oil pressure gage will suit your needs better. With oil pressure, if she gets too hot the oil pressure will drop, thus an indirect measure of temperature, or she will drop if low oil or mechanical damage. A pressure gage can be a fully mechanical one that has an oil line run up to the gage, that is how I have it in one of my car, the only electric if for the light bulb.

you may have good luck searching other car sites, or ebay for a 6 volt electric gage if that is what you want, or form fancy step up invertor circuit.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

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someone knows of a unit that operates on five to six volts


A USB connection outputs 5V so any camera that connects with a USB cable is already ready for 5V
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:10 am    Post subject: Re: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

If all you want is to monitor changes in temperature as opposed to accurately monitor temperature, you can install the 12 volt temperature gauge and "mentally calibrate" it.
I do that all the time with my KPM speedometer in an MPH world. "Sixty KPH, ok I'm doing close enough to 36 MPH."

Once you get a baseline for normal temperature, you can watch it to see if it starts running high. My stock 356 temperature gauges don't show actual temperature, just "normal or not normal."
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

Might try a DC to DC boost converter:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trk...;_osacat=0

Get one with 10 Amps or more, that way you will not be running it balls to the wall and burn it out all too soon.. Buy two so if one goes out you have a spare.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

zerotofifty wrote:
Get a thermocouple gage, it dont require external power except for the light bulb. Really I think an oil pressure gage will suit your needs better. With oil pressure, if she gets too hot the oil pressure will drop, thus an indirect measure of temperature, or she will drop if low oil or mechanical damage. A pressure gage can be a fully mechanical one that has an oil line run up to the gage, that is how I have it in one of my car, the only electric if for the light bulb.

you may have good luck searching other car sites, or ebay for a 6 volt electric gage if that is what you want, or form fancy step up invertor circuit.


This is what I was referring to: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KJPD3XF/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_6?smid=A3K59RPIS31GWI&psc=1.

eBay is the only source I know for used.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

runamoc wrote:
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someone knows of a unit that operates on five to six volts


A USB connection outputs 5V so any camera that connects with a USB cable is already ready for 5V


I thought the same, however, some require a higher voltage, which is processed by a low battery voltage logic circuit, then if satisfied, passed to the camera. With no circuit diagram, one can't determine what components are responsible and bypass it.

My guess be a voltage regulator that cuts out at the designer's desired low voltage value. Devices now use SMD/SMT passives, which I don't have the tools or skill to replace, so if my guess is right, there would be no way for me to replace it with one with a lower Vmin.

Or are you saying there are cameras which do not use a cigarette lighter socket or hardwiring (how installed the current unit), rather, a cable with USB both ends?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

wdfifteen wrote:
If all you want is to monitor changes in temperature as opposed to accurately monitor temperature, you can install the 12 volt temperature gauge and "mentally calibrate" it.
I do that all the time with my KPM speedometer in an MPH world. "Sixty KPH, ok I'm doing close enough to 36 MPH."

Once you get a baseline for normal temperature, you can watch it to see if it starts running high. My stock 356 temperature gauges don't show actual temperature, just "normal or not normal."


Yah, you are right about me being obsessed about a number rather than accepting its intended purpose all along is to act as an indicator.

If wanted accuracy, somewhere have a DMM with a thermocouple probe and if could get inside, paste a new face on.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

Eric&Barb wrote:
Might try a DC to DC boost converter:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trk...;_osacat=0

Get one with 10 Amps or more, that way you will not be running it balls to the wall and burn it out all too soon.. Buy two so if one goes out you have a spare.


Thank you for the link, didn't think to look on eBay. For giggles, modified your search and as expected, no kits.

What I have that does not work, neither puts out any voltage. Here is the exact one, as can see way over paid: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019GY2FLW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Plus, I now aware that Analog Devices, Microchip Technology, not even Texas Instruments makes a boost component, only bucks, so no matter what you purchase, not going to be high quality, so best to purchase cheap and expect to replace, so good point about carrying a spare.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

I've used this style of 10A voltage booster to operate 12V gauges in a 6V system for at least the last 15 years and it's been faultless in that time...

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Looks like they're still available - https://www.vintagecarradio.com/accessories/custom...e-booster/

Have also used it to power a 12V socket into which I can put a 12V USB adapter to power GPS unit etc... Has worked fine for me; YMMV.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

I kept putting off because of the expense, now going to cost me more because Ruby was a victim of a hit and run while parked.

Turns out Vintage Car Radio has terrible business practices. Firstly, they sell out of stock product with no known resupply date, secondly, then try to upsell, thirdly refused to explain the difference between the two models, and fourthly refunded the sale because asked for a discount due to them selling out of stock product. I question if bought the more expensive model it would even show up, though with my personal account I am protected.

So do I support an unethical business, find a dash camera and gauges that operate on six volts, or to spend hours researching and building my own converter? Think

I bet they were once at least a decent company, but like so many companies, after COVID, they lost product (due supply chain shortages) and staff, causing unrepairable damage.

I am honestly tiring of how everything has to be a fight, you think buying a voltage doubler be strait forward, nope. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

That’s no good. Pretty sure mine didn’t come from there but it’s been a long time so memory may be faulty. I’ll check when I get home next week but I’m pretty sure there are other vendors. Might have been an eBay number.

Or go straight to the source - https://customautosoundmfg.com/product/accessories/power-inverter
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Six volt Equipment. Reply with quote

Dangermouse wrote:
That’s no good. Pretty sure mine didn’t come from there but it’s been a long time so memory may be faulty. I’ll check when I get home next week but I’m pretty sure there are other vendors. Might have been an eBay number.

Or go straight to the source - https://customautosoundmfg.com/product/accessories/power-inverter


Oops... Thank you for helping with my lack of clarity. Including forgetting about eBay, guess I am not with the times. This looks to be a good seller, put it here in case anyone else in the future is looking: https://www.ebay.com/itm/314962752159?_skw=Custom+...SwpkZlU~3r

Coming from Comufornia and claims be here early next week.
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