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BFB Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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Dauz wrote: |
BFB wrote: |
Dauz wrote: |
For the oil drain, I'd use the biggest line you can get away with. I use -10AN. And then place the drain on TOP of a wider sump. The Berg folks make a nice 2QT. Then use a -4 feed.
I have pics for reference. But too bad I'm lazy |
Lazy AND an asshole |
so? |
no problem with it here, its a great traits to have. I just didnt want you to think it went unnoticed or feel unloved.
so with how you explained that oil drain, did you run the oil level low or normal level? _________________ Forced induction can overcome a lot of obsticles that gets in it's way
"You are the Engineer and the Mechanic.
Build it your way not the way someone else does it. Their way might not work for you." - clonebug
An interesting thing happens in forums where everyone starts parroting the same thing and "common knowledge" takes over.
“ The monkey see monkey do mentality seems to run deep in VW people. "Gene Berg said it was so 30 years ago so thats the way it is" “ - bdkw1 |
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Dauz Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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BFB wrote: |
Dauz wrote: |
BFB wrote: |
Dauz wrote: |
For the oil drain, I'd use the biggest line you can get away with. I use -10AN. And then place the drain on TOP of a wider sump. The Berg folks make a nice 2QT. Then use a -4 feed.
I have pics for reference. But too bad I'm lazy |
Lazy AND an asshole |
so? |
no problem with it here, its a great traits to have. I just didnt want you to think it went unnoticed or feel unloved.
so with how you explained that oil drain, did you run the oil level low or normal level? |
normal. haveing a large drain pipe essentially does the same thing the porsche proposal does early in this thread. |
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Turbo Eddie Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2024 Posts: 48 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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Hey all! For the latest update the car is running phenomenally. Zero smoke and pulls very hard under full throttle. Water injection is dialed in and holding the IATs in a very safe zone. I'm running 30% methanal and 70% water, basically -20 windshield washer fluid. The best part of it is how cool the heads stay under full load. 260F after I let off the throttle from a hard pull. I can tell the carbon is being cleaned off the valves and combustion chamber. The car runs and idles so much smoother.
The only issue I'm dealing with now is that the car likes to lose oil pressure when I'm braking for a stop. Other that that my idle pressure is 15-20psi on 10w-30 oil. I think I have a hole in the pickup tube or it's not fully engaged in the case. The issue comes into play when the oil moves towards the flywheel. I'm going to pull the sump cover and investigate with a bore scope/camera. |
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Dauz Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2010 Posts: 1855
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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Try 20w-50 VR1. It's all I use |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14098 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:31 am Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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Turbo Eddie wrote: |
The only issue I'm dealing with now is that the car likes to lose oil pressure when I'm braking for a stop. Other that that my idle pressure is 15-20psi on 10w-30 oil. I think I have a hole in the pickup tube or it's not fully engaged in the case. The issue comes into play when the oil moves towards the flywheel. I'm going to pull the sump cover and investigate with a bore scope/camera. |
The stock (I think) 1600 DP engine that came in my street Buggy does exactly the same thing. Even when the oil is at the full line it always comes on under braking but if the oil is down a pint the oil light tends to flicker when driving steady state on the road too. I put a manual gauge on and it confirmed what the light was telling me. The pressure dropped to zero when the brakes were applied.
I pulled the inspection cover off and took the screen out but the pickup seems to be in place and solid. I suspect a cracked pickup tube. Anyway the engine had been dusted from bad air cleaners and was using oil pretty bad so I "fixed" the problem by running it a pint overfull. It ran that way just fine for the rest of the summer and I rebuild a type 4 engine to replace it.
One day I will pull that engine apart to see what the problem really was. Sorry to say this but yours quite likely will have to come apart too... _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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BFB Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:33 am Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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I’d be suspect of where the pick up tube goes into the case. Ive always been leery of this union for this reason, as long as it’s immersed in oil itd be fine but with a steep decent or hard braking , if theres not a perfect seal youd think itd suck air pretty easy. Ive thought about looking into doing something like brazing it or tapping the case for NPT to a compression fitting for the pick up tube. _________________ Forced induction can overcome a lot of obsticles that gets in it's way
"You are the Engineer and the Mechanic.
Build it your way not the way someone else does it. Their way might not work for you." - clonebug
An interesting thing happens in forums where everyone starts parroting the same thing and "common knowledge" takes over.
“ The monkey see monkey do mentality seems to run deep in VW people. "Gene Berg said it was so 30 years ago so thats the way it is" “ - bdkw1 |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3745 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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I remove the tube, clean the tube/case, and reinstall with Loctite Sleeve Retainer. Locks/seals it in there
Loctite 648 |
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Turbo Eddie Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2024 Posts: 48 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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So I haven't got to looking into the oil issue yet because I'm tackling installing a new steering box.
While I was working on the steering box I noticed that the lower trailing arm was moving around like the inner bushing was worn so I pulled it off. It turns out that the bushing had slid in and not engaged with the arm. Apparently it's held in position by a setscrew. I have an Atom Werk setup front and back on this car so it may be different than stock. I used a little rod to try and feel what was going on without removing the torsion springs or the other side. I ended up building a tool with a narrow aluminum flat bar by putting a short 90 deg bend on the end that could grab the back side of the bushing and pulled it back into position. I used the rod and bushing width to measure distance, and setscrew hole to set the starting point, and finally used the rod to push the bushing to the right position. I used the setscrew to hold it into position and successfully reinstalled the arm. Now it feels as tight as the other three arms. I was very happy I could do this without having to to take the other side apart!! |
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Turbo Eddie Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2024 Posts: 48 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Turbo Eddie Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2024 Posts: 48 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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I got the new EMPI steering box installed and it feels like new. The steering wheel is straight driving down the road with no slop! While I was at it, I primed and painted the cast iron part of the box black and installed new high strength hardware. I also cleaned all the arms and couplers and primed and painted those as well. I highly recommend ACE hardware's "rust stop" paint. I have been using it for a few years now and really like how it sprays, coats and its strength. I also like to use the green zinc self etching primer. I like to let the paint cure 48hrs before I start assembly so I know it's not soft. If you really want to get the rust off old parts, let them set in 100% vinegar for a few days or if you have pool/muriatic acid you can mix it 50/50 with water and that will clean the rust off much faster. |
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Turbo Eddie Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2024 Posts: 48 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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If I blew in the oil pickup tube I could hear an air leak, so I carefully pulled the oil pickup back so I could see what was going on. It felt tight in the hole and I don't suspect the leak coming from this joint. I did see a hole above the oil pickup hole that i don't know what it is. I was able to take a tig welding rod and feel that it was open. I assume this leads to the oil pump area but i don't know. Is this hole suppose to be plugged and what's its purpose?
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3745 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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That top hole shouldn’t be there unless I’m seeing it wrong |
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Turbo Eddie Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2024 Posts: 48 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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So I confirmed that the tube is not what's leaking so I put the pickup tube back on and added an EMPI pickup extender with an aluminum cover while I was at it. I'm suspect of the fitment of the oil pump to the case. it's suppose to be a tight fit and if not it can leak. I feel that is where my leak is and I may need an O-ringed pump housing to seal it. Fortunately those are not that expensive, I just have to pull everything apart to get the pump off and see what's going on. The engine is very solid otherwise so I plan to run it for another year or so.
I'm considering experimenting with ratio rockers because the turbo will definitely take advantage of the lift.... |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14098 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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Yes that hole is supposed to be there. It helps drain the oil from the cam drive gear area back into the sump.
_________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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Turbo Eddie Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2024 Posts: 48 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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Thank you for confirming!! Look what other hole is about the same height and could suck air if the oil level dropped while braking! |
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oprn Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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Turbo Eddie wrote: |
Thank you for confirming!! Look what other hole is about the same height and could suck air if the oil level dropped while braking! |
I don't see anything on this case. I am of the mind, like you that it must be too much clearance between the case and the pump body. Or the pump is out of round, maybe the case opening could be too? _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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Turbo Eddie Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2024 Posts: 48 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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I need to seal this area but may have to find a solution I can still slide the pump in.
https://www.lowbugget.com/oil_pump.html |
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mikedjames Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2012 Posts: 3102 Location: Hamble, Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:08 am Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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On my 1641 I have a fast sampling digital oil pressure gauge. And when that starts flickering downwards from 38psi at cruise its usually time to top up the oil. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
1974 VW T2 : Devon Eurovette camper with 1641 DP T1 engine, Progressive carb, full flow oil cooler, EDIS crank timed ignition.
Engine 1: 40k miles (rocker shaft clip fell off), Engine 2: 30k miles (rebuild, dropped valve). Engine 3: a JK Preservation Parts "new" engine, aluminium case: 26k miles: new top end.
Gearbox rebuild 2021 by Bears.
1979 Westerly GK24 24 foot racer/cruiser yacht Forethought of Gosport.
1973 wooden Pacer sailing dinghy |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3745 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:39 am Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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I’d recommend a Berg O-ringed pump…
Blueprinted and anodized, will last a long time |
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Turbo Eddie Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2024 Posts: 48 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Custom EFI turbo kit with F150 Ecoboost turbocharger |
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I decided to start building an engine for this car and CB performance was having a sale, so I got a forged 69.5 crank, rods, K8 camshaft and new lifters. I found an AE block locally that I have to do a very minor repair on, line bore and install case savers on, and it should be like new. I also plan to do the oil flow mods and shuffle pins on it. I have a new set on 90.5mm pistons and cylinders for it I got from a buddy for free. The engine that is in the car runs very well and I don't want to take it apart. It's an AH/AS41 case with low hours so it's a nice setup. |
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